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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 05:07am
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Thoughts on this dunk...etc.


My hope is someone spoke with the officials afterwards and said "I don't care how good this player may be. These are high school kids and we can't let them do stuff like this."
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 08:36am
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I believe that the defender had LGP. But this is easily a no-call.

I'd like to know if the dunker said anything to the defender. If so, and it was untoward, I'd T him up.
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 09:01am
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I believe that the defender had LGP. But this is easily a no-call.

I'd like to know if the dunker said anything to the defender. If so, and it was untoward, I'd T him up.
I think the OP was referring to the stand over and stare down. I got nothing on the play, and a whack for the taunt. L seemed to be paying more attention to the kid who just got dunked on.
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 09:08am
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I think the OP was referring to the stand over and stare down. I got nothing on the play, and a whack for the taunt. L seemed to be paying more attention to the kid who just got dunked on.
Concur, the L is too locked in on the defender.
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 09:26am
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Nothing on the dunk, easy T for taunting.
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 09:53am
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Whack! Taunting.

I can almost hear the coach..."But he didn't say anything. How can that be a T?"
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 10:24am
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Nothing on the dunk as it looks like the guy bailed out and avoided significant contact. But I am OK with the taunting as he stood over him. He does not have to say much for this to be a T IMO.

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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 11:01am
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Sweet dunk ... messes it up with the taunting BS ... WHACK!!!
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 11:04am
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Defender has LGP then loses it as he takes a step to the right while the offensive player is in the air. No advantage/disadvantage we play on.

Standing over the player with the stare down...easy T. Fortunately for the dunker the Lead didn't have his peripherals open to see both players.
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 11:07am
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Defender has LGP then loses it as he takes a step to the right while the offensive player is in the air. No advantage/disadvantage we play on.

Standing over the player with the stare down...easy T. Fortunately for the dunker the Lead didn't have his peripherals open to see both players.
I agree it's a no call but that defender didn't lose LGP at all.

After the play, probably should have had a taunting T.
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Nothing on the dunk as it looks like the guy bailed out and avoided significant contact. But I am OK with the taunting as he stood over him. He does not have to say much for this to be a T IMO.

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Gosh, couldn't the defender have just turned away?
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I agree it's a no call, but I hate the excuse that he "bailed out to avoid significant contact". Not that your wrong that he did back up a bit but he is allowed to do so to protect himself from possible injury. Obviously we don't need to have "significant" contact for a foul to occur. The defender was in position and the offense clearly hit him. I would have been Ok seeing PC or No call on this.

I want to be sure that I am not singling you out JRut even though I used your comment, it just reminded me of a conversation I had this season with some other officials.
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 11:17am
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I agree it's a no call, but I hate the excuse that he "bailed out to avoid significant contact". Not that your wrong that he did back up a bit but he is allowed to do so to protect himself from possible injury. Obviously we don't need to have "significant" contact for a foul to occur. The defender was in position and the offense clearly hit him. I would have been Ok seeing PC or No call on this.
The point is that by backing out, the defender actually reduced the contact from what would have been a foul to incidental.

Yes, a defender is allowed to back up, but if in doing so he drastically reduces contact, then he may well actually avoid taking the charge in doing so. We don't call fouls based on what would have happened.

It's just like when a defender starts leaning backwards to brace for contact. Yes, he can do it, but when he does, then we have to judge whether he was knocked down or if he fell down on his own.
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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 11:18am
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Gosh, couldn't the defender have just turned away?
It looks to me that he was trying to not get run over and fell as a result. If he got run over I would have no problem with a call being made. He looked like he put his arms up to suggest he was getting out of the way and did not take any contact directly in the chest or torso.

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Old Fri May 11, 2012, 11:20am
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It looks to me that he was trying to not get run over and fell as a result. If he got run over I would have no problem with a call being made. He looked like he put his arms up to suggest he was getting out of the way and did not take any contact directly in the chest or torso.

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Sorry, I meant in order to avoid feeling like he was taunted.

Seriously, it goes right along with what you talked about in the other thread; you don't have to say anything to intimidate/taunt someone.
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