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just another ref Wed May 09, 2012 08:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 840893)
Is the term "exploded into the chest of the defender" used in the rulebook word for word? ;)

Peace


No, but neither is "you must go with a blarge if opposing signals are made."

JRutledge Wed May 09, 2012 10:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 841035)
No, but neither is "you must go with a blarge if opposing signals are made."

It is an interpretation in the casebook. We have been over this before, you just have decided not to accept that interpretation.

Peace

Adam Thu May 10, 2012 11:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 841035)
No, but neither is "you must go with a blarge if opposing signals are made."

Okay everyone, take a drink.

Camron Rust Thu May 10, 2012 11:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 840893)
Is the term "exploded into the chest of the defender" used in the rulebook word for word? ;)

Peace

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 841035)
No, but neither is "you must go with a blarge if opposing signals are made."

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 841047)
It is an interpretation in the casebook. We have been over this before, you just have decided not to accept that interpretation.

Peace

Well, to be fair, it is about as clearly defined as faking a foul. :D

JRutledge Thu May 10, 2012 11:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 841139)
Well, to be fair, it is about as clearly defined as faking a foul. :D

Nope. But if you want to believe that, go right ahead.

Peace

Raymond Thu May 10, 2012 01:31pm

Double fouls are clearly defined.

just another ref Thu May 10, 2012 01:41pm

Double fouls are clearly defined. Being required to report a double foul when conflicting signals are made, even if one offficial is willing/anxious to yield, is not stated ANYWHERE.

Multiple fouls are clearly defined, by both rule and case play, but nobody likes multiple fouls............:rolleyes:


Back to the OP: This is not about rule wording or interpretation, it is just a question of a really close call.

Three points of view on a play like this:

"Could have gone either way."

"Good call, ref!"

"The ref screwed us!!"

Camron Rust Thu May 10, 2012 01:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 841165)
Double fouls are clearly defined. Being required to report a double foul when conflicting signals are made, even if one offficial is willing/anxious to yield, is not stated ANYWHERE.

Multiple fouls are clearly defined, by both rule and case play, but nobody likes multiple fouls............:rolleyes:


Back to the OP: This is not about rule wording or interpretation, it is just a question of a really close call.

Three points of view on a play like this:

"Could have gone either way."

"Good call, ref!"

"The ref screwed us!!"

Close it is and I accept a different judgement, yet many people kept trying to support their opinion with coach-speak non-rules or incorrect rules.

Raymond Thu May 10, 2012 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 841165)
Double fouls are clearly defined. Being required to report a double foul when conflicting signals are made, even if one offficial is willing/anxious to yield, is not stated ANYWHERE.

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A blarge is a double foul in which one official calls a foul on A1 and another official calls a foul on B1, instead of one official calling both fouls. :cool:

just another ref Thu May 10, 2012 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 841167)
A blarge is a double foul in which one official calls a foul on A1 and another official calls a foul on B1, instead of one official calling both fouls. :cool:


Sez who? By the logic of the blarge "rule" if an official anticipates, then signals a block, then immediately realizes this is the wrong call, he should be required to report a double foul.

APG Thu May 10, 2012 03:08pm

Why are people entertaining JAR on the subject of the blarge? :confused:

just another ref Thu May 10, 2012 03:34pm

I think the original point was that things are accepted as fact that are not stated in so many words in the book(s).


Having said that, I don't think that was the problem in this thread. The principles of block/charge are simple enough. The question of a description of the contact itself (extended an arm, exploded into the chest, etc.) are secondary to the question of whether the defender had LGP or not.


Having said all that, the OP is a prime candidate for a blarge, which, without question, would have been the wrong "call".

JRutledge Thu May 10, 2012 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 841176)
Why are people entertaining JAR on the subject of the blarge? :confused:

Exactly. Silly to even have this conversation since he always tries to bring this into unrelated conversations.

Peace

JRutledge Thu May 10, 2012 03:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 841179)
I think the original point was that things are accepted as fact that are not stated in so many words in the book(s).

Not all vernacular is used in the rulebook, nor would any reasonable person expect it to be used. That is also why there is a casebook to tell us how to interpret the rules. Not every definition is clear as crystal to tell us how it can be applied. If all rules written were clear, then you would not need a casebook in the first place. And some rules or interpretations are not in the rulebook at all. Like the rule where the casebook talks about giving a T for a delay tactic with less than 5 seconds on the clock. That is an interpretation that is not anywhere in the rulebook to call a technical foul for that specific act.

Peace

Adam Thu May 10, 2012 05:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 841176)
Why are people entertaining JAR on the subject of the blarge? :confused:

Because they're trying to get me drunk.


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