Use it or toss it

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's your delivery, and phrases like "old", "outdated", etc.

1. I've always been a straight forward, tell it like it is type of guy... I aint changing now, especially for a group of people on the internet that I'll probably never even meet face to face. You'd think a group of individuals that wear stripes would be able to handle it!

2. When I initially began sharing these things (that some claim they already knew ) I didnt go to the old school card or do any name dropping until folks began acting as if I was crazy for mentioning these NBA philosophies.

3. If I didnt like the delivery of a person but the stuff they were delivering was substantial, I'm not going to object to it just because the delivery wasnt nice & sweet.
There's nothing nice & sweet about what we do...

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

IMO, "helping a partner"/"team officiating"/"making a call outside of their PCA for the good of the game" are things that can't be done effectively and with acceptance from veteran officials until one has truly mastered the respective PCAs and shown that they can handle their 1/3 with no worries.

No doubt BNR, first things first. Probably why the Professor started the 3 part video with defining PCAs & then took us to the graduates course.

Problem with some veterans is that they want you to ref your 3rd & your 3rd only even when they missed something obvious. Back in his prime, I guess it used to mean you were showing him up. In todays game, you say thanks & buy the man a beer!

[johnny d]

tref, for the most part I agree with you that todays game requires team officiating and sometimes coming out of your primary to get a call. I think the problem you face is that it seems like you think this is something that should happen often, whereas even those who agree with you on the philosophy think the practice of this principle occurs less frequently. If I am not mistaken, the last time you tried to invoke this principle, you came in from a pretty substantial distance and overturned a partners call. While you argued that you had a better angle than your partner, which is probably true, I think most people felt having a better angle in that case did not necessarily mean you had a better view. I think the more important part of the tape was when he talked about the referees constantly adjusting their position and moving their feet. In the example used, if the lead gets his *** over to the strong side, he would have a good view of the play on the pivot or spin and wouldnt need the center to come in and make a call.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by tref

1. I've always been a straight forward, tell it like it is type of guy... I aint changing now, especially for a group of people on the internet that I'll probably never even meet face to face. You'd think a group of individuals that wear stripes would be able to handle it!

2. When I initially began sharing these things (that some claim they already knew ) I didnt go to the old school card or do any name dropping until folks began acting as if I was crazy for mentioning these NBA philosophies.

3. If I didnt like the delivery of a person but the stuff they were delivering was substantial, I'm not going to object to it just because the delivery wasnt nice & sweet.
There's nothing nice & sweet about what we do...




No doubt BNR, first things first. Probably why the Professor started the 3 part video with defining PCAs & then took us to the graduates course.

Problem with some veterans is that they want you to ref your 3rd & your 3rd only even when they missed something obvious. Back in his prime, I guess it used to mean you were showing him up. In todays game, you say thanks & buy the man a beer!

I agree and disagree with you. Your first part is spot on IMO. The message should always be the most important thing...not the delivery.

So, who decides when someone has mastered their 1/3rd of the court? I haven't mastered mine yet so my partners are going to live and die with anything smaller than an elephant in their primary. If it is an elephant, I will help. IMO, THAT is the key. Too many people are so eager to call all over the court that they miss two players killing each other right in front of them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

1. I've always been a straight forward, tell it like it is type of guy... I aint changing now, especially for a group of people on the internet that I'll probably never even meet face to face. You'd think a group of individuals that wear stripes would be able to handle it!

2. When I initially began sharing these things (that some claim they already knew ) I didnt go to the old school card or do any name dropping until folks began acting as if I was crazy for mentioning these NBA philosophies.

3. If I didnt like the delivery of a person but the stuff they were delivering was substantial, I'm not going to object to it just because the delivery wasnt nice & sweet.
There's nothing nice & sweet about what we do...

I should have added that I think you've missed what the objections really are. Very few are objecting to the idea of helping partners. The objections come because most of the time we hear these comments, it comes from newer partners who think that incidental contact I passed on, with clear view, needed a whistle. Maybe it's a conditioned response, but there's a reason for it.

Also, teaching these techniques to newer officials is counterproductive for reasons BNR stated; and since this forum is made of a mixture of rookies, ancients, and everything in between, some of the vets take care to make sure your advanced advice is not taken incorrectly by rookies.

Your "old school" cliches were dropped at the first sign of rejection, it seems. You make a comment, and someone objects, and your first response is to suggest the game has passed them by. Telling it as you see it is one thing, but that doesn't mean it's how it is.