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Old Sat Mar 31, 2012, 06:12pm
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Bang-bang play - but she slid in at the last split-second, I thought.
The left foot looks like it might be moving, but she already had LGP and I don't think her body is moving into the shooter.
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Bang-bang play - but she slid in at the last split-second, I thought.
If that is the case, it must have been so slight that no one could tell. I always give the benefit of the doubt to the defense. No one is going to be perfectly still.

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Old Sat Mar 31, 2012, 06:15pm
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if that is the case, it must have been so slight that no one could tell. I always give the benefit of the doubt to the defense. No one is going to be perfectly still.

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I'll give the L the benefit of the doubt. This is a difficult angle, it looks like the defender took the contact more on the left side rather than textbook torso to torso.
There is no part of the rule that says that has any relevance. If the defender is in the path and the shooter diverts to the side just a bit such that the contact is off center, that doesn't negate LGP.
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Old Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:49pm
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The lead should never have made this call out of his PCA and he was wrong--it should have been a player control foul and the C should have called it!
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Old Sat Mar 31, 2012, 08:06pm
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Charge, and frankly, not that close. However, the camera has a better angle than either C or L. C in their regular position would be straightlined, so L taking this call is fine, even though he doesn't have a much better angle.

Before anyone says block, please describe what the defender did that was illegal.
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C in their regular position would be straightlined, so L taking this call is fine, even though he doesn't have a much better angle.
Aggie, I'll respectfully disagree. That play is in the C's primary and she's in the correct position. She really doesn't appear to be straightlined. Maybe the contact surprised her but if it did, it shouldn't have because she should have anticipated the play if not the contact.

On another front: what gets me is the C didn't even blow her whistle. Yes, the L came in fast when he shouldn't have but the C didn't even pull the trigger. Again, maybe it was a case of being surprised by the contact.
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I've got a charge. I've looked at it several times and can't see anything but.
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Again, a Lead who fails to close down and pinch the paint and then makes an incorrect block/charge call.
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The lead should never have made this call out of his PCA and he was wrong--it should have been a player control foul and the C should have called it!
Agreed.

Perhaps the L was so quick with his whistle and preliminary signal, the C chose to withhold (swallow) his/her own.
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Again, a Lead who fails to close down and pinch the paint and then makes an incorrect block/charge call.
BNR I don't think pinching the paint is an issue. To me, you pinch the paint to get a good look at a drive coming down the lane. This play was still very much in the C's PCA.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 08:42pm
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BNR I don't think pinching the paint is an issue. To me, you pinch the paint to get a good look at a drive coming down the lane. This play was still very much in the C's PCA.
It's just that we've recently had 2 plays posted where the Lead got a block/charge wrong and in both cases the Lead was way out of postion to even get a good look as a secondary on the play.
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It's just that we've recently had 2 plays posted where the Lead got a block/charge wrong and in both cases the Lead was way out of postion to even get a good look as a secondary on the play.
True, but this to me is a "leave it alone because it's right in front of the C" issue more than a a help issue. The C shouldn't need help on this.
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True, but this to me is a "leave it alone because it's right in front of the C" issue more than a a help issue. The C shouldn't need help on this.
She shouldn't, but if she did, the Lead is in no position to give legitimate help. He's just guessing b/c he never got himself back over to where he could see the play.

When I watch these clips and I feel the officials got the play wrong the next thing I do is replay it to see where the officials (the entire crew) were positioned. A vast majority of the time I find incorrect calls are accompanied by incorrect positioning.
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Off topic, but female ref was gorgeous, slim New York runway model material.

That said, I think she was over her head with this game
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