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APG Sun Mar 25, 2012 02:59am

Florida v. Louisville
 
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 834086)
APG (or anybody else with his skills), the sequence that results with UF shooting free-throws at the 6:23 mark of the 2nd half.

Maybe or maybe not a BC violation. Definitely don't agree with the block call by Hess.

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billyu2 Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:42am

I think it was a good no-call regarding a potential backcourt violation; but it looked more to me like a PC regarding any foul on the play.

Raymond Sun Mar 25, 2012 03:27pm

No B/C definitely. Couldn't tell watching the game live and didn't have it on DVR.

I'm still iffy on the block but I give Hess the benefit of doubt. But watching the replay, just noticed it was a split second away from a 10-second count.

(thanks apg)

HawkeyeCubP Sun Mar 25, 2012 09:17pm

If I were the opposing coach, I'd ask how close it was to a 10-second violation. (As he wasn't counting during the time of this clip.)

Toren Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:44pm

The block is the "safe" call. I thought either of the two first ones were closer to a block then the one he actually calls.

No B/C. I wasn't sure if the referee was signaling that it was tapped or that he was dribbling, therefore 2 feet and the ball needed to cross. Either way I didn't like the signal he was using to communicate.

Camron Rust Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:04am

That is a perfect example of the 3-point rule for a dribbler crossing the division line....legal.

Nevadaref Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:37am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 834268)
The block is the "safe" call.

I'm going to have to give you the chance to explain exactly what you mean by that because it seems as if you are saying that the right call was a PC, but that the official lacked the courage to make it.

So please tell me what a "safe call" is.

vbzebra Mon Mar 26, 2012 05:45am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 834286)
I'm going to have to give you the chance to explain exactly what you mean by that because it seems as if you are saying that the right call was a PC, but that the official lacked the courage to make it.

So please tell me what a "safe call" is.

i'm curious too!

Lcubed48 Mon Mar 26, 2012 06:26am

Ssssaaaaffffeeeee!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by vbzebra (Post 834295)
i'm curious too!

That's the call that I make when the batter/runner touches first base bag before the ball is caught by the first baseman.
OOPS!! Wrong forum - me bad!! ;) :D

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 26, 2012 08:39am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 834278)
That is a perfect example of the 3-point rule for a dribbler crossing the division line....legal.

Agreed. A good video for training purposes, too.

Toren Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:05am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 834286)
I'm going to have to give you the chance to explain exactly what you mean by that because it seems as if you are saying that the right call was a PC, but that the official lacked the courage to make it.

So please tell me what a "safe call" is.

Thanks for the chance :D

I'm sure we've all had a similar play where we pass on the first one, pass on the second one (thinking, that's marginal, but it's getting closer and closer to illegal) than the third one comes and bam we hit the defender with the foul. In this case, I felt the defender was legal on the third one, but I feel he was penalized as a culmination of the previous ones.

But when I look at the play that was penalized, the defender is legal and the offense extends a forearm. So either it's a No Call or it's Player Control, we can't penalize the defense on that play alone.

That's what I meant by "safe call"

I don't know about his particular courage, but I'm pretty sure you don't make it to that level of being a referee without courage.

Raymond Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:16am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 834328)
Thanks for the chance :D

I'm sure we've all had a similar play where we pass on the first one, pass on the second one (thinking, that's marginal, but it's getting closer and closer to illegal) than the third one comes and bam we hit the defender with the foul. In this case, I felt the defender was legal on the third one, but I feel he was penalized as a culmination of the previous ones.

But when I look at the play that was penalized, the defender is legal and the offense extends a forearm. So either it's a No Call or it's Player Control, we can't penalize the defense on that play alone.

That's what I meant by "safe call"

I don't know about his particular courage, but I'm pretty sure you don't make it to that level of being a referee without courage.

Well, the calling official was Karl Hess, so we know he doesn't always play it "safe" :D

tref Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:26am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 834328)
Thanks for the chance :D

I'm sure we've all had a similar play where we pass on the first one, pass on the second one (thinking, that's marginal, but it's getting closer and closer to illegal) than the third one comes and bam we hit the defender with the foul. In this case, I felt the defender was legal on the third one, but I feel he was penalized as a culmination of the previous ones.

But when I look at the play that was penalized, the defender is legal and the offense extends a forearm. So either it's a No Call or it's Player Control, we can't penalize the defense on that play alone.

That's what I meant by "safe call"

I don't know about his particular courage, but I'm pretty sure you don't make it to that level of being a referee without courage.

Before putting a whistle on it he probably asked himself, "why did he push off?"
Then the contact by the defender that he initially deemed marginal became illegal.
I can see his focus being on the potential b/c play... twice, as opposed to the contact by the defender.

Our eyes only see what our mind tells us we are looking at.

Toren Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:35am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 834333)
Before putting a whistle on it he probably asked himself, "why did he push off?"
Then the contact by the defender that he initially deemed marginal became illegal.
I can see his focus being on the potential b/c play... twice, as opposed to the contact by the defender.

Our eyes only see what our mind tells us we are looking at.

But he happened to push off on the only play, in my view, where the defender was legal. Is this a good time to penalize?

tref Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:45am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 834335)
But he happened to push off on the only play, in my view, where the defender was legal. Is this a good time to penalize?

In a perfect world we want to get RSBQ perimiter plays immediately. But when your mind tells your eyes to watch the division line, twice in one transition (uncommon) I can see him not getting it then asking himself "did the defender do something a fraction of a second earlier to make the offense push off?"


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