Defensive player grabbing the net to pull himself up

[rhodyref401]

I was reffing a rec league game tonight and one of the defensive players grabbed the net to pull himself up for no apparent reason, ball was not on the rim nor did he hang on the rim. His team was getting it handed to them
pretty bad so it was more out of frustration. I hit him with a T but I was a little unsure if the hanging on the rim rule also applied to the net as well.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

[APG]

Strict ruling, yes it's a technical foul

Rule 10
Section 3 PLAYER TECHNICAL
A player shall not:

ART. 3 . . . Grasp either basket at any time during the game except to prevent injury; dunk or stuff, or attempt to dunk or stuff a dead ball.

The net is considered part of the basket, so it can't be grasped except to prevent injury.

[rhodyref401]

Thanks APG

[Nevadaref]

The rule is not "hanging on the rim.". The rule states that it is illegal to grasp the basket when not dunking or to prevent injury.
The net is definitely part of the basket, so although you didn't know the rule, you were correct to penalize this act.

[rhodyref401]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The rule is not "hanging on the rim.". The rule states that it is illegal to grasp the basket when not dunking or to prevent injury.
The net is definitely part of the basket, so although you didn't know the rule, you were correct to penalize this act.

I understand that there rule isn't a rule called "the hanging on the rim rule"
I was under the impression that a site filled with veteran officials would understand what I was referring to, but in the future I will make sure my questions are more detailed and reference the correct rule.

[Nevadaref]

My point was that learning/teaching/using incorrect or sloppy terminology leads to misunderstandings about the rules. In your specific case, had you been taught that the rule was for grasping the basket, you wouldn't have had any doubt that this included hanging on the net. You would have known that action was illegal and never even needed to ask the question which you did.

Take a bit of friendly advice and make a little more effort to adhere to precise terminology when talking about basketball rules, especially with officials and you will be better.

[rhodyref401]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My point was that learning/teaching/using incorrect or sloppy terminology leads to misunderstandings about the rules. In your specific case, had you been taught that the rule was for grasping the basket, you wouldn't have had any doubt that this included hanging on the net. You would have known that action was illegal and never even needed to ask the question which you did.

Take a bit of friendly advice and make a little more effort to adhere to precise terminology when talking about basketball rules, especially with officials and you will be better.

I asked a question i didn't asked to be chastised, if my lack of knowledge irritates you please don't respond. I am in my 4th month of reffing so if I feel a little unsure about certain rules then i'm gonna seek out clarification. No need to be a jerk.

I want no parts of friendly advice from you sir.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

I asked a question i didn't asked to be chastised, if my lack of knowledge irritates you please don't respond. I am in my 4th month of reffing so if I feel a little unsure about certain rules then i'm gonna seek out clarification. No need to be a jerk.

I want no parts of friendly advice from you sir.

Lighten up! Nevada was certainly not being a jerk and certainly DID NOT chastise you. He merely pointed out that HAD YOU BEEN TAUGHT CORRECTLY, you would know the rule and that using correct, precise terminology is part of what separates officials from coaches, players, and fans. We are the arbiter of the rules. Knowing them and how to identify them correctly increases your credibility. This is a great site for a new guy to learn from and Nevada is one of the best, so it is to your advantage to listen to all advice, rules interpretation, and mechanics advice he and other members of this site offer.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

I understand that there rule isn't a rule called "the hanging on the rim rule"
I was under the impression that a site filled with veteran officials would understand what I was referring to, but in the future I will make sure my questions are more detailed and reference the correct rule.

Dude, ease up. He's simply explaining the correct terminology and the fact that if you use the correct terminlogy, your question is answered. No need to be offended.

[rhodyref401]

I joined this site to learn from other officials and also pick their brains to help improve my officiating, this is the first thread i have ever started and it will also be the last. Good luck to all of you guys in your careers, and i wish you all much success and good health.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

I joined this site to learn from other officials and also pick their brains to help improve my officiating, this is the first thread i have ever started and it will also be the last. Good luck to all of you guys in your careers, and i wish you all much success and good health.

Dude, relax. You gotta have thicker skin than that. It's part of the job anyway.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

I joined this site to learn from other officials and also pick their brains to help improve my officiating, this is the first thread i have ever started and it will also be the last. Good luck to all of you guys in your careers, and i wish you all much success and good health.

Rhody, hopefully you'll take a step back then keep coming back. We all have varying amounts of time in this business and we all correct each other regarding terminology and other stuff. When we use incorrect terminology it can cause confusion when we explain situations to coaches and/or players...and each other. Remember: when we go wrong, the game can go wrong.

It may sound harsh since you're new but it's all said with good intentions and with the intent of helping us learn and get better.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

I joined this site to learn from other officials and also pick their brains to help improve my officiating, this is the first thread i have ever started and it will also be the last.

Wow. If you're that thin skinned, you won't last long in officiating.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

This is the first thread i have ever started and it will also be the last.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Wow. If you're that thin skinned, you won't last long in officiating.

"Hey Coach. This is the first time that you've challenged my call and it will be the last time that a you challenge my call. Don't expect me to ever work in this gym again. I will be blocking your team on Arbiter as soon as I get home."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

I joined this site to learn from other officials and also pick their brains to help improve my officiating, this is the first thread i have ever started and it will also be the last. Good luck to all of you guys in your careers, and i wish you all much success and good health.

Part of learning the rules is learning the correct terminology, pure and simple. If that offends you then don't ask fellow officials to answer your questions, just go straight to the rule book where you don't have to worry about personalities.

You and Duffman should start a revolution.

You 2 never would have survived if these guys were giving you feedback: