Defensive player grabbing the net to pull himself up

[Nevadaref]

My point was that learning/teaching/using incorrect or sloppy terminology leads to misunderstandings about the rules. In your specific case, had you been taught that the rule was for grasping the basket, you wouldn't have had any doubt that this included hanging on the net. You would have known that action was illegal and never even needed to ask the question which you did.

Take a bit of friendly advice and make a little more effort to adhere to precise terminology when talking about basketball rules, especially with officials and you will be better.

[rhodyref401]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My point was that learning/teaching/using incorrect or sloppy terminology leads to misunderstandings about the rules. In your specific case, had you been taught that the rule was for grasping the basket, you wouldn't have had any doubt that this included hanging on the net. You would have known that action was illegal and never even needed to ask the question which you did.

Take a bit of friendly advice and make a little more effort to adhere to precise terminology when talking about basketball rules, especially with officials and you will be better.

I asked a question i didn't asked to be chastised, if my lack of knowledge irritates you please don't respond. I am in my 4th month of reffing so if I feel a little unsure about certain rules then i'm gonna seek out clarification. No need to be a jerk.

I want no parts of friendly advice from you sir.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

I asked a question i didn't asked to be chastised, if my lack of knowledge irritates you please don't respond. I am in my 4th month of reffing so if I feel a little unsure about certain rules then i'm gonna seek out clarification. No need to be a jerk.

I want no parts of friendly advice from you sir.

Lighten up! Nevada was certainly not being a jerk and certainly DID NOT chastise you. He merely pointed out that HAD YOU BEEN TAUGHT CORRECTLY, you would know the rule and that using correct, precise terminology is part of what separates officials from coaches, players, and fans. We are the arbiter of the rules. Knowing them and how to identify them correctly increases your credibility. This is a great site for a new guy to learn from and Nevada is one of the best, so it is to your advantage to listen to all advice, rules interpretation, and mechanics advice he and other members of this site offer.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by rhodyref401

I asked a question i didn't asked to be chastised, if my lack of knowledge irritates you please don't respond. I am in my 4th month of reffing so if I feel a little unsure about certain rules then i'm gonna seek out clarification. No need to be a jerk.

I want no parts of friendly advice from you sir.

RhodyRef:

I am an IAABO Official just like you. Since you don't want Nevada's advice, then take mine. Nevada was correct in correcting you. We are the professionals and experts; using correct terminalogy is what separates us from the "fanboys" and "howler monkeys" and all of the other riff-raff out there.

A good example is a defender "obtains" a LGP in NCAA and FIBA Rules, while in NFHS the defender "establishes" a LGP (even though it was "obtain" in NFHS until about 20 years ago and it was a personal friend and a NFHS Committee Member who pushed for the word be changed from "establish" to "obtain" in both the NCAA and NFHS Rules, but that is another story).

Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.

MTD, Sr.

[JetMetFan]

Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.

And remember Rhody, spelling counts

[rhodyref401]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

RhodyRef:

I am an IAABO Official just like you. Since you don't want Nevada's advice, then take mine. Nevada was correct in correcting you. We are the professionals and experts; using correct terminalogy is what separates us from the "fanboys" and "howler monkeys" and all of the other riff-raff out there.

A good example is a defender "obtains" a LGP in NCAA and FIBA Rules, while in NFHS the defender "establishes" a LGP (even though it was "obtain" in NFHS until about 20 years ago and it was a personal friend and a NFHS Committee Member who pushed for the word be changed from "establish" to "obtain" in both the NCAA and NFHS Rules, but that is another story).

Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.

MTD, Sr.

thanks for the advice mark, I have apologized to nevada for my out burst on yesterday I was having a bad day, but I do understand he was right in correcting me.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

RhodyRef:

I am an IAABO Official just like you. Since you don't want Nevada's advice, then take mine. Nevada was correct in correcting you. We are the professionals and experts; using correct terminalogy is what separates us from the "fanboys" and "howler monkeys" and all of the other riff-raff out there.

A good example is a defender "obtains" a LGP in NCAA and FIBA Rules, while in NFHS the defender "establishes" a LGP (even though it was "obtain" in NFHS until about 20 years ago and it was a personal friend and a NFHS Committee Member who pushed for the word be changed from "establish" to "obtain" in both the NCAA and NFHS Rules, but that is another story).

Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.

MTD, Sr.

To me, the difference between "obtain" and "establish" is the same difference between endline vs. baseline.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by allpurposegamer

to me, the difference between "obtain" and "establish" is the same difference between endline vs. Baseline.

+1

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

To me, the difference between "obtain" and "establish" is the same difference between endline vs. baseline.

APG:

I agree with you, but Ed Ferrigno thought that the word "obtain" was a better word than "establish" and was able to convince the NFHS Rules Committee but was never able to convince the NCAA Rules Committee. When discussing NFHS Rules with H.S. officials I still find myself using the word "establish" instead of "obtain".

MTD, Sr.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

APG:

I agree with you, but Ed Ferrigno thought that the word "obtain" was a better word than "establish" and was able to convince the NFHS Rules Committee but was never able to convince the NCAA Rules Committee. When discussing NFHS Rules with H.S. officials I still find myself using the word "establish" instead of contain.

MTD, Sr.

Weird spellcheck malfunction?