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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 833626)

There may be unintended consequences, such as more players crashing the boards early, taking a risk they won't get caught, and knowing they wouldn't be penalized, anyway, if the shot it good. The point of the rule is to prevent such early crashes.

I believe the point of the rule is for the player not to gain a rebounding advantage. While I don't mind either way, I do hate when players, coaches, and/or fans yell that the defense left early, and I'm sitting in the middle of the court with a fist out to the side. Maybe if there is consistency between defense and offense violations we won't hear the grumbles. Most likely we will still hear it, and probably more since we won't be blowing our whistle immediately on half of them.

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 833611)

There's only one thing I agreed with in the article...

I wouldn't mind seeing a lane violation being ignored, for both teams, if the free throw is made. Realistically, there was no impact on the violation in the Xavier game. Now the call was correct, and since the violation was so clear and obvious, it had to be called...but I'd like a rule change to ignore if the free throw is made.

This is exactly how it is played under the FIBA rule set. The only person who can violate on a MADE FT is the shooter. All other violations are ignored if the FT is good.

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 833611)

.... the FIBA rule!

And to think she has the chutzpah to opine about real sports, not just the wimmens!

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 833635)

:rolleyes:
Is that comment really necessary?

Just channelling my inner Jurassic...
Don't you miss him?

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 833606)

Stupid? I don't think so. Heavily flawed? Absolutely. And, the foundation lies in this myopic myth from the article...

Here's are two realities of basketball I've come to learn:
*A game is never decided by one play. It is always decided by the totality of the 32/40/48 minutes (plus overtime, if applicable). If one play decided a game, you wouldn't need the other minutes.

*Every single time there's a one-point game, without exception, it's inevitable that the officials have done something -- via action or inaction -- to affect the outcome. Way too much goes on within the game's time span not to be the case.

So, why do we buy into this myth? It really comes down to human memory capacity. We can only remember so much, and we just can't take in all 60-100 possessions. Therefore, when a controversial call happens in a game's closing minutes, it's still typically fresh in people's minds. However, if a call is kicked in the first half, people get mad for 5-10 seconds, but just move onto the next play.

In truth, the smaller the score's margin, the greater chance an official's rulings -- be they in the beginning, middle, or end of a game -- will affect that game's outcome. While those look at Notre Dame/Xavier, I guarantee you that there were rulings in other close games that affected that game just as much.

I could also argue that a missed three-point shot with 7 minutes left in the first half doesn't have as much affect on the fnal score than a missed three-point shot with 1 second left in the game with a team down by two points.....

Why is it always about the referees and what they do or don't do over this course of the game and not the players?!?!?

What fans fail to realize is that we as officials are not making stuff up, we are responding to the players actions to offciate the game.

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 833651)

Why is it always about the referees and what they do or don't do over this course of the game and not the players?!?!?

It's simply easier to blame us, than count the number of missed layups, FTs & the turnovers.

Here's the thing

I have heard many officials say in pregames or half time that they call the same fouls in the last minute as they do any other point in the game.

THEN we hit the court and they choke on the whistle for things that they have called all game long.

Now I would like to think that a foul is a foul regardless of the time on the clock, but in practice that hasn't been my experience. I try to officiate a consistent game throughout the game, but it's a struggle sometimes and I can admit that. Some of that is due to my inexperience, I'm sure.

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." :D

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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 833668)

Billy Madison quotes!! Awesome...

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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 833593)

And to think she has the chutzpah to opine about real sports, not just the wimmens!

OY! Someone used "chutzpah" in a post! I might just plotz! :)

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 833671)

OY! "chutzpah"

gesundheit

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 833671)

OY! Someone used "chutzpah" in a post! I might just plotz! :)

I originally used 'cojones' but spell-check suggested this.

Better that zaftige chazzer Charles Barkley should plotz..

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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 833668)

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 833670)

Billy Madison quotes!! Awesome...

Always wondered what movie that was from. One of the local radio sports personalities used to have that as part of his introductary drop.

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 833662)

...THEN we hit the court and they choke on the whistle for things that they have called all game long.
...

When I got into officiating I think this was prevalent. At think now at the NCAA-M's level John Adams wants the same fouls called from beginning to end.

But then you go to camps and you hear staff observors/evaluators from the D1 ranks talk about "high certainty" and "quality" fouls in end of game situations.

Who You Gonna Call ???

From the list:

Officials are on the court to be the only unbiased arbiters of the game. Officials are not concerned with who wins or loses, but only fairness and safety. Everyone else in that gym cares about winning, and therefore cannot look at the game objectively. Players commit fouls and violations; officials view those infractions, judge the action, and then apply the rules of the game to what they had viewed. The rules then determine the penalty.