Murray State v. Marquette

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Look again...B1's feet (foot) were inside the RA just before the shoulder contact and were coming forward...several inches outside of the RA at the time of that contact. Can't get between those two points without moving forward.
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That movement by B1's feet occurred while A1 while still moving laterally. B1's feet were set again before the contact from A1's shoulder.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That movement by B1's feet occurred while A1 while still moving laterally. B1's feet were set again before the contact from A1's shoulder.

I just can't picture moving your feet forward while moving laterally while you body is connected to your feet.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I just can't picture moving your feet forward while moving laterally while you body is connected to your feet.

Re-read my post.

And look at the video. A1's initial movement takes him in a direction away from the basket. B1 move's his feet forward during A1's initial movement.

PS: if someone moves diagonally they will then have moved laterally and forward relative to their previous position

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Re-read my post.

And look at the video. A1's initial movement takes him in a direction away from the basket. B1 move's his feet forward during A1's initial movement.

PS: if someone moves diagonally they will then have moved laterally and forward relative to their previous position

And if ANY part of that movement, even if there is lateral movement, is forward, that is all that matters. Moving laterally doesn't excuse forward movement. And the forward movement that I'm referring to happened at exactly the time of the shoulder contact. Maybe there was other forward movement too but the only movement that matters is that which occurred at the very moment of contact.

[sounderref]

This is being over-thought and is an easy play. The contact by the offense was marginal, not even close to being enough for a foul. Was the defense vertical...no=foul. If you call a PC on that play you will not be working that level for long.

Side note, notice the L doubling the whistle. This was a routine defensive foul. These are also two of the very best in the tourney, wouldn't be surprised to see the C in the FF (probably an alternate) and the L in a regional semi/final.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by sounderref

This is being over-thought and is an easy play. The contact by the offense was marginal, not even close to being enough for a foul. Was the defense vertical...no=foul. If you call a PC on that play you will not be working that level for long.

Side note, notice the L doubling the whistle. This was a routine defensive foul. These are also two of the very best in the tourney, wouldn't be surprised to see the C in the FF (probably an alternate) and the L in a regional semi/final.

Who is advocating a PC on this play? I'm advocating no block on the initial contact and a clear foul for defender's arms not being vertical on the shot. And the 'L' is who took the call to the table.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Who is advocating a PC on this play? I'm advocating no block on the initial contact and a clear foul for defender's arms not being vertical on the shot. And the 'L' is who took the call to the table.

Oh...it sure sounded like you were advocating that the defender we moving legally.

[sounderref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Who is advocating a PC on this play? I'm advocating no block on the initial contact and a clear foul for defender's arms not being vertical on the shot. And the 'L' is who took the call to the table.

Ringo mentions "clear displacement before the contact upstairs", and sniper said he could go PC because of the "shoulder charge". My comments were directed there.

IMO, all of the body contact, both by the offense and defense, is marginal while the lack of verticality by the defenfer's arms is where the fouls occurs.

My 0.02