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Double dribble call without even dribbling???
If someone could pull the video from tonight's S. Dakota/Baylor game at 17:25ish in the first half one of the Dakota guys gets called for a double dribble but he never put the ball on the floor.
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Haven't seen the play, but the call is actually "illegal dribble"...which I suppose could happen without it hitting the floor.
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Tell us a little more about the play until the video gets up?
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No video...but a description
SDSU #42 receives pass in the low post and, without dribbling, spins, leaves his feet and attempts a layup. BU #4 comes over in an attempt to block the shot. While SDSU #42 is in the air the ball leaves his hands, he catches it and lands. The L calls an illegal dribble.
BU #4 doesn't appear to have touched the ball but I'm not entirely sure how the ball left SDSU #42's hands...it didn't look like he shot it. He may have lost control on the way up or had it hit him in the head. At any rate, it wasn't an illegal dribble since he never dribbled in the first place.
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That would be an illegal dribble because it never hit the floor as required for a legal dribble.
It could also be a travel, and usually is by most officials. Either way, it is not legal and could be justified by either rule.
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The NFHS case play used to also say illegal dribble for this, but got altered to a traveling violation by the former editor a couple of years ago. |
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I've called this a travel in the past, as I think that the travel is easier to sell.
It's more difficult to sell what coaches know as a double dribble (rather than the illegal dribble) than a travel.
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I agree 100%. It looks purposeful to me, and I would also have ruled it illegal. Out of instinct, I probably would have signaled traveling, but I don't have a problem with the illegal dribble signal.
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It's nit picking but I still consider this a double dribble. I think the AR supports it as well.
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I know it's a violation either way but when I found the AR that prompted some more thoughts.
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So most of you guys actually think, even watching the replay, that the player had intent and purpose to fumble the ball closer towards the basket? To me, WITH the benefit of replay, it appears he either attempted a shot or fumbled trying to shoot and that quite possibly the defender flying by had something to do with it. I mean he puts up a one-footer from 3 feet out? Who plans that move? I feel it was a legal play based on the fact that you are allowed to recover, as another poster says, either the fumble or shot attempt. Is the NCAA ruling here the same as NFHS?
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Good call. Last edited by fullor30; Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58am. |
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