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APG Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:04pm

The C didn't call a lane violation for the player in the marked lane space...he pointed at the player he called it on which was for the player outside the arc running in early. While technically a violation, no official at that level is going to split hairs that closely on the player in the lane.

APG Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:07pm

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Originally Posted by Brad (Post 832229)
How is that a problem?

They apply NBA rules to NCAA games...that was why Reggie Miller was going haywire on this play...same with Charles Barkley.

BktBallRef Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:10pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 832228)
John Adams on Tru TV now...does NOT look happy.

He didn't admit the mistake. Said in their opinion, the shot clock violation occurred before the foul. Completely wrong. :(

stiffler3492 Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 832234)
He didn't admit the mistake. Said in their opinion, the shot clock violation occurred before the foul. Completely wrong. :(

Guess he didn't want to throw his guys under the bus on national television.

grunewar Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:13pm

Story and coupla videos......
 
Controversial calls at end of Syracuse-UNC-Asheville game

BktBallRef Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:21pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 832235)
Guess he didn't want to throw his guys under the bus on national television.

I don't think admitting a mistake is throwing guys under a bus.

One of the best things about Mike Pierrera, when he was the NFL officiating supervisor, was that he was willing to admit honest mistakes. It gave him credibility.

bgredmchn Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:33pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 832216)
Forgive my question. But how do you "almost" let someone shoot? They either did or they did not shoot.

Peace

After the second successful try, they lined them up for a third free throw and had already given the shooter the ball. It took another official to blow the whistle and remind them they made the two already.

stiffler3492 Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:35pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 832239)
I don't think admitting a mistake is throwing guys under a bus.

One of the best things about Mike Pierrera, when he was the NFL officiating supervisor, was that he was willing to admit honest mistakes. It gave him credibility.

Sure, but if I'm not mistaken, Pereira isn't affiliated with the NFL anymore even if he knows most if not all of those officials personally.

Brad Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:39pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 832231)
They apply NBA rules to NCAA games...that was why Reggie Miller was going haywire on this play...same with Charles Barkley.

How is this an NBA rule vs NCAA rule issue? The player that ran in from beyond the 3-point line clearly committed the violation. It was totally obvious. The only reason that the commentators were going haywire is because they are completely ignorant on the rules.

Are you trying to say that retired NBA officials aren't smart enough to adapt to NCAA rules? That's completely absurd.

APG Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:46pm

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Originally Posted by Brad (Post 832245)
How is this an NBA rule vs NCAA rule issue? The player that ran in from beyond the 3-point line clearly committed the violation. It was totally obvious. The only reason that the commentators were going haywire is because they are completely ignorant on the rules.

Are you trying to say that retired NBA officials aren't smart enough to adapt to NCAA rules? That's completely absurd.

I'm talking about the announcers...Reggie Miller regularly announces NBA games for TNT. Charles Barkely regularly does analysis for NBA games. As such, they apply NBA rules because that's what (they think) they're knowledge (I know I know) about.

It was a clear and obvious violation under NCAA rules...but they (they being the announcers/commentators/analysts) were applying their NBA knowledge which would have made the play legal.

APG Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:48pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 832244)
Sure, but if I'm not mistaken, Pereira isn't affiliated with the NFL anymore even if he knows most if not all of those officials personally.

When he was head of officials, the would regularly have a show every week on NFL.com where they reviewed the most controversial rulings of the week. If the crew was wrong, they were wrong and he flat out said it.

Brad Thu Mar 15, 2012 06:50pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 832247)
I'm talking about the announcers...Reggie Miller regularly announces NBA games for TNT. Charles Barkely regularly does analysis for NBA games. As such, they apply NBA rules because that's what (they think) they're knowledge (I know I know) about.

It was a clear and obvious violation under NCAA rules...but they were applying their NBA knowledge which would have made the play legal.

LOL ... I thought you were talking about NBA refs working NCAA games!

I will now excuse myself from the forums! :)

Still, even the announcers that only do NCAA games are completely idiots when it comes to the rules!!

grunewar Thu Mar 15, 2012 07:00pm

Sir Charles says......
 
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 832212)
That step in happens on almost every FT that's shot, it never gets called and it wasn't called this time.

The C pointed to the offender and pointed to the path he took to get to the ball..

I knew immediately who he had called the violation was called on.

If I can see it, then the NCAA Mens' Officiating Coordinator should be able to.

"I'd like to know how many times that's been called all yr." :rolleyes:

stiffler3492 Thu Mar 15, 2012 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 832248)
When he was head of officials, the would regularly have a show every week on NFL.com where they reviewed the most controversial rulings of the week. If the crew was wrong, they were wrong and he flat out said it.

Didn't know that, thanks. People want transparency, especially in the digital age where we have access to replays upon replays upon replays.

BktBallRef Thu Mar 15, 2012 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 832244)
Sure, but if I'm not mistaken, Pereira isn't affiliated with the NFL anymore even if he knows most if not all of those officials personally.

"...when he was the NFL officiating supervisor,..."


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