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Old Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:39pm
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I have.
So you're waving this off?
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Old Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:42pm
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So you're waving this off?
Yes, I am. Film don't lie.
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Old Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:00pm
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Yes, I am. Film don't lie.
oook, I always wondered why they misnamed this violation basket interference.
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Old Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:19pm
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oook, I always wondered why they misnamed this violation basket interference.
Are you wondering why it's this particular instance is still called basket interference? If so, because by definition, the the rim, flange, and net are considered part of the basket.

Now by rule is the above play basket interference? Sure it is...but I'm not sure this particular play was the intent of the rule.
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Old Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:26pm
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Are you wondering why it's this particular instance is still called basket interference? If so, because by definition, the the rim, flange, and net are considered part of the basket.

Now by rule is the above play basket interference? Sure it is...but I'm not sure this particular play was the intent of the rule.
I'm sure it wasn't, but I'm not sure I'm prepared to pick the nit. OTOH, I've had the defense do it and I haven't stopped the game and just allowed the basket to count.

The one time I called this in the past 2 years, the ball came halfway out above the rim, so it was pretty much a no-brainer.

And yet...there it is on film for everyone to see. To be honest, it might trip my trigger in the moment or it might not. Probably depends on what happens to the ball.

How's that for wishy-washy?
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:24am
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I'm sure it wasn't, but I'm not sure I'm prepared to pick the nit. OTOH, I've had the defense do it and I haven't stopped the game and just allowed the basket to count.

The one time I called this in the past 2 years, the ball came halfway out above the rim, so it was pretty much a no-brainer.

And yet...there it is on film for everyone to see. To be honest, it might trip my trigger in the moment or it might not. Probably depends on what happens to the ball.

How's that for wishy-washy?
If it wasn't the intent of the rule, which you're sure it wasn't, then there's really no nit to pick, is there? Your real world examples still haven't convinced me that BI is the correct call on the play in the OP's video.
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 01:28am
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Just making sure I understand this. It seems the general consensus is that the player touched the net before the ball was completely through the hoop. If the ball is still in the net, that is ok but if any part is still in the ring it is BI. Is that about right? No one feels like the ball was all the way down before he touched the net?
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 06:20am
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What's the difference between calling/not calling this one?
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The intent of the rule.
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The intent.
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Intent of the rule.
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permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:08am
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I'm sure it wasn't, but I'm not sure I'm prepared to pick the nit. OTOH, I've had the defense do it and I haven't stopped the game and just allowed the basket to count.

The one time I called this in the past 2 years, the ball came halfway out above the rim, so it was pretty much a no-brainer.

And yet...there it is on film for everyone to see. To be honest, it might trip my trigger in the moment or it might not. Probably depends on what happens to the ball.

How's that for wishy-washy?
I disagree........... well, not really
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:15am
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Are you wondering why it's this particular instance is still called basket interference? If so, because by definition, the the rim, flange, and net are considered part of the basket.

Now by rule is the above play basket interference? Sure it is...but I'm not sure this particular play was the intent of the rule.
No, I know the rule and understand completely what constitutes "the basket".

I agree, by a very strict reading of the rule, this is BI. However, I feel pretty confident it doesn't fit the intent.
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 01:14pm
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No, I know the rule and understand completely what constitutes "the basket".

I agree, by a very strict reading of the rule, this is BI. However, I feel pretty confident it doesn't fit the intent.
I've seen a basketball go this far into the net, hit the tight part just right (wrong?) and come right back out --- no basket. The player committing the BI here prevented that possibility. It's not a bucket until it comes out the bottom. Period.
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It's not a bucket until it comes out the bottom.
Dr. Naismith (and Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.) might disagree with you.
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 07:33pm
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It's not a bucket until it comes out the bottom. Period.
Actually, the rule says that a goal is also scored if the ball simply remains in the basket. It does not have to pass entirely through.
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 07:38pm
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I've seen a basketball go this far into the net, hit the tight part just right (wrong?) and come right back out --- no basket.
If that were the case, I would say you have a net problem which needs attention.
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