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Sharpshooternes Tue Mar 13, 2012 01:28am
Just making sure I understand this. It seems the general consensus is that the player touched the net before the ball was completely through the hoop. If the ball is still in the net, that is ok but if any part is still in the ring it is BI. Is that about right? No one feels like the ball was all the way down before he touched the net?

APG Tue Mar 13, 2012 03:25am
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 831632)
Just making sure I understand this. It seems the general consensus is that the player touched the net before the ball was completely through the hoop. If the ball is still in the net, that is ok but if any part is still in the ring it is BI. Is that about right? No one feels like the ball was all the way down before he touched the net?
Rule 4, SECTION 6 BASKET INTERFERENCE
Basket interference occurs when a player:

ART. 1 . . . Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.

The net was touched while the ball was within the basket. Technically, by rule, this is basket interference.

Camron Rust Tue Mar 13, 2012 03:32am
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 831633)
Rule 4, SECTION 6 BASKET INTERFERENCE
Basket interference occurs when a player:

ART. 1 . . . Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.

The net was touched while the ball was within the basket. Technically, by rule, this is basket interference.
Not only was the net touched, it appears like the ball was touched.

It is certainly not impossible for such contact to affect the shot....I know I've seen a few that appeared to have been in yet popped back out.

APG Tue Mar 13, 2012 04:36am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 831634)
Not only was the net touched, it appears like the ball was touched.

It is certainly not impossible for such contact to affect the shot....I know I've seen a few that appeared to have been in yet popped back out.
I agree with this kind of call 100 percent if the ball pops out...but in the play above, it that what the real intent of the rule is? This is an area where the NBA rule is better

NBA Rules Book (2011-2012)
Rule 11
Section I—A Player Shall Not:

i. Touch the rim, net or ball while the ball is in the net, preventing it from clearing the basket.

I wonder how many officials actually do it that way though technically against NFHS/NCAA rules.

BillyMac Tue Mar 13, 2012 06:20am
I Know, I'm A Bad Boy ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 831587)
What's the difference between calling/not calling this one?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 831610)
The intent of the rule.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLydic (Post 831629)
The intent.
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Originally Posted by BLydic (Post 831630)
Intent of the rule.
"It is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may
be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or a team should not be
permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be
permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not
intended by a rule."

JetMetFan Tue Mar 13, 2012 08:02am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 831636)
"It is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may
be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or a team should not be
permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be
permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not
intended by a rule."
As I continue to be a gremlin... ;)

So what, then, is the intent and purpose of this rule?

I wouldn't have posted the video if the kid had only swiped the net. To me that would be nitpicking. It's the contact with the ball which made me think this would be a good one for discussion.

BillyMac Tue Mar 13, 2012 09:00am
My Opinion ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 831643)
So what, then, is the intent and purpose of this rule?
To prevent players from interfering with the ball, or the basket, in situations where such interference would illegally cause the ball to go in the basket, or where such interference would illegally prevent to the ball from going in the basket.

fullor30 Tue Mar 13, 2012 09:08am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 831615)
I'm sure it wasn't, but I'm not sure I'm prepared to pick the nit. OTOH, I've had the defense do it and I haven't stopped the game and just allowed the basket to count.

The one time I called this in the past 2 years, the ball came halfway out above the rim, so it was pretty much a no-brainer.

And yet...there it is on film for everyone to see. To be honest, it might trip my trigger in the moment or it might not. Probably depends on what happens to the ball.

How's that for wishy-washy?
I disagree........... well, not really

JetMetFan Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:07pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 831654)
To prevent players from interfering with the ball, or the basket, in situations where such interference would illegally cause the ball to go in the basket, or where such interference would illegally prevent to the ball from going in the basket.
Cool. So didn't the offensive player do something which could illegally prevent...the ball from going in the basket? The rule doesn't say anything about touching the ball and causing it to come out of the basket.

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 13, 2012 01:14pm
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Originally Posted by BLydic (Post 831629)
No, I know the rule and understand completely what constitutes "the basket".

I agree, by a very strict reading of the rule, this is BI. However, I feel pretty confident it doesn't fit the intent.
I've seen a basketball go this far into the net, hit the tight part just right (wrong?) and come right back out --- no basket. The player committing the BI here prevented that possibility. It's not a bucket until it comes out the bottom. Period.

BillyMac Tue Mar 13, 2012 01:46pm
Peachy Keen ...
 
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 831724)
It's not a bucket until it comes out the bottom.
Dr. Naismith (and Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.) might disagree with you.

Eastshire Tue Mar 13, 2012 02:36pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 831735)
Dr. Naismith (and Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.) might disagree with you.
All due respect to Dr. Naismith, but we also only use one ball and just have 10 on the floor at once now too.

BillyMac Tue Mar 13, 2012 04:23pm
Don't Forget To Tighten The Laces On The Ball ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 831741)
All due respect to Dr. Naismith, but we also only use one ball and just have 10 on the floor at once now too.
Back then, a young Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. had no trouble climbing up, and down, the ladder to get the ball out of the peach basket. Now he has trouble climbing out of bed every morning. It's true.

Toren Tue Mar 13, 2012 07:17pm
BI and yes I'm calling it. The ball changes direction as a result of the contact with the net, so either the hand also hit the ball or the result of the net grab lead to the ball being moved.

So stop being an idiot and stay off my net.

just another ref Tue Mar 13, 2012 07:28pm
To each his own. Some guys don't call 3 seconds. I wouldn't call this.


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