Fined by Your Assigner

[bainsey]

Does your assigner levy fines against those in your association for any reason (turning back games, etc.)? If so, what reasons?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Does your assigner levy fines against those in your association for any reason (turning back games, etc.)? If so, what reasons?

Our assignor does not have the authority to do that (in my HS games). The Board does however, and we do levy fines for no-shows and for a few other things - had a guy show up for a JV game in shorts, things like that.

All fines are made known before the season starts.

[Adam]

No shows and turn backs (after acceptance).

The authority comes from the ability to withhold or withdraw assignments.

[ballgame99]

we get one free turnback in Arbiter, The game doesn't have to be accepted either. If you have marked your self as available and get a game assigned, and have to turn it back, it costs you $5. I guess our assigner was having a lot of officials that were leaving themselves open and then cherry picking the games they wanted and didn't want and causing a lot of assigning issues.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

If you have marked your self as available and get a game assigned, and have to turn it back, it costs you $5.

Follow-up, bg: Does your assigner do that with "pending" games, too (assuming he uses them)?

[ballgame99]

not sure what you mean by pending. In Arbiter, if you have a date open our assigner will assign you a game and it awaits your approval. That is what I would call a "pending" game. If we turnback a pending game it costs us $5. If we turn back a game that we have approved it costs us $5. I think that answers your question?

[rpirtle]

In N. Texas our association (400 officials covering N. TX & DFW) has authorized our Assignor to assess fines in several situations. Fines can be assessed for the following: 1.) No shows = Up to the amount of the game fee they would have received; 2.) Turnbacks = $10 if > 24 hours prior to game & $25 if < 24 hours; & 3.) Paying Local Association dues late = $100.

We pay annual dues in the amount of $150 to a State governing body called UIL ($50) and a Local Association ($100). The local dues are due each year no later than April 1st.

It always seemed odd to me that our local dues had to be paid so early. No general meetings took place and printed materials were not disbursed until September each year. Then someone told me that doing it this was allows our Board to show prospective new schools that we have sufficient officials to cover their games during the upcoming season. I must assume the rationale behind the large fine for paying Local dues late is to boost our roster numbers for the Board's talks with these prospective schools.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rpirtle

We pay annual dues in the amount of $150 to a State governing body called UIL ($50) and a Local Association ($100). The local dues are due each year no later than April 1st. It always seemed odd to me that our local dues had to be paid so early.

Our local dues are due March 1.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Levy fines?

1. Missing an assignment
2. Turning back an assignment
3. Not meeting financial obligations

[truerookie]

My assignor gets an assignment fee of $1.50 per game assigned. He assigns around 7000 games a year with 400 members. Do the math.

He is appointed by the Executive board to perform these duties.

We use Arbiter and there is no penalty if a game is declined.

The settings used are: notified, accepted or declined. When you are assigned a game you have a respond by date which is normally 24 hours prior to the actual game date.

If you do not accept by respond by date it goes by into the assignor queue to assign to someone who may not have a game assigned.

The question I have is

1. If this is a paid position, where does the fine money goes? Does it go to the assignor (pocket) or the association's scholarship fund?

Last comment: I agree with most of the fines, missing assignment or being late. But, to fine me for not accepting a game. Where do we draw the line as Independent Contractor?

Essentially, you are treating me like an employee.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by truerookie

My assignor gets an assignment fee of $1.50 per game assigned. He assigns around 7000 games a year with 400 members. Do the math. He is appointed by the Executive board to perform these duties.

Our assigning commissioner gets an annual salary: $26,250.00. He assigns games for about 70 high schools (boys, girls, freshman, junior varsity, varsity) and many middle schools. We have 325 members.

We also have two assistant assignment commissioners, one getting $2000.00 and the other getting $500.00. They assign scrimmages, Special Olympics, and AAU tournaments.

Our 7% "assignment fee" goes directly to our local board, not to the assignment commissioner.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

My assignor gets an assignment fee of $1.50 per game assigned. He assigns around 7000 games a year with 400 members. Do the math.

400 members is extraneous.

$1.50 x 7,000 = $10,500 per season.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

400 members is extraneous.

$1.50 x 7,000 = $10,500 per season.

I stand corrected. 1.50 per official assigned a game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

$1.50 x 7,000 = $10,500 per season.

$1.50 Per Game Assigned x 7,000 Games x Two Officials Per Game (At Least) = $21,000 (At Least) per season.

[KMBReferee]

In NC, we're fined $20 if we turn back a game.

We use Arbiter. You're ok if you catch it during the time it's "pending" (we have a new assigner this year, and he's getting used to it, so that time has been very short, if any). But once it's published, and you reject it, you gotta pay the fee.

It's the same way in Football too (the Football assigner used to be the basketball assigner as well, and that's where it originated). But no other sport, as far as I know.