Shot Clock Reset

[Man In Blue]

NCAA-Men. Conference championship game under 1 minute.

A1 shoots from elbow and is blocked by B1. The ball comes down about half way between shooter and basket. B2 grabs the ball, kicks it out to the wing who takes the the ball out top to set up a new play because the shot clock has been reset!

Coach B going nuts. The trail blows the play dead and goes to the replay with the R. They review the video and determine 2 seconds on the shot clock. They put the ball on the endline to resume play.

A couple of things:

1. None of the crew saw the shot not hit the basket/ rim.

2. Shame on the table for resetting shot clock.

3. If no one saw the shot clock reset how can you blow the play dead to see what the coach is yelling about?

4. The tv replay showed the shot clock was reset somewhere between 9 and 11 seconds. But the officials reset the shot clock to 2 because that is where the game was when they blew the whistle.

5. The ball was almost at half court when the play was blown dead. Why put the ball in play under the basket? That was where the ball was when the shot clock was reset- but then the shot clock should be at 9-11 seconds?

Good table help is hard to find!!!

[JetMetFan]

Do you remember what game this was? It would help to see video.

[APG]

I remember seeing the play in question on TV but don't remember who was playing...the announcers thought they were going to put 8-9 seconds back on the shot clock and were shocked when they put 2 seconds back on the clock. The team went on to get a lay-up on the throw-in on a great out of bounds play.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I remember seeing the play in question on TV but don't remember who was playing...the announcers thought they were going to put 8-9 seconds back on the shot clock and were shocked when they put 2 seconds back on the clock. The team went on to get a lay-up on the throw-in on a great out of bounds play.

Found it. It was the Summit League championship (Western Illinois and S. Dakota State).

The shot-clock was reset to the proper time. The possession began with 2:39 remaining. They blew the whistle to recognize the shot-clock error with 2:06 remaining. If anything, Western Illinois should've had three seconds to shoot but no more than that.

As for where they put the ball back into play, they made a mistake. The whistle to recognize the shot-clock problem was blown with the ball between the circles, closer to the scorers' table. It should have been a designated spot throw-in in front of the scorers' table since that was the POI.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

1. None of the crew saw the shot not hit the basket/ rim.

Yes they did...what they didn't see, and what took them by surprise, is that the shot clock was reset.

As for the rest of the situation, I believe they handled it correctly except for the throw-in spot. Once they were aware of the shot clock - because B's Coach was screaming - they stopped play and fixed things.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

NCAA-Men. Conference championship game under 1 minute.

A1 shoots from elbow and is blocked by B1. The ball comes down about half way between shooter and basket. B2 grabs the ball, kicks it out to the wing who takes the the ball out top to set up a new play because the shot clock has been reset!

Coach B going nuts. The trail blows the play dead and goes to the replay with the R. They review the video and determine 2 seconds on the shot clock. They put the ball on the endline to resume play.

A couple of things:

1. None of the crew saw the shot not hit the basket/ rim.

2. Shame on the table for resetting shot clock.

3. If no one saw the shot clock reset how can you blow the play dead to see what the coach is yelling about?

4. The tv replay showed the shot clock was reset somewhere between 9 and 11 seconds. But the officials reset the shot clock to 2 because that is where the game was when they blew the whistle.

5. The ball was almost at half court when the play was blown dead. Why put the ball in play under the basket? That was where the ball was when the shot clock was reset- but then the shot clock should be at 9-11 seconds?

Good table help is hard to find!!!

Am I missing something? A1 shoots, B2 grabs the ball. The shot clock should be reset.

[Man In Blue]

The ball didn't hit the rim.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Am I missing something? A1 shoots, B2 grabs the ball. The shot clock should be reset.

Not that he's my client, but I believe he meant A2 grabs the rebound.

[Duffman]

A bit of a hijack but also related....

Does anyball that hits the rim reset the shot clock. A1 attempts an entry pass into A2, ball is deflected by defender B2, it hits the rim and is collected by A3.

Correct to reset the shot clock?

[APG]

NBA: Anytime the ball hits the rim of the team in possession of the ball, the shot clock resets

NCAA: I believe it has to be a try.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Am I missing something? A1 shoots, B2 grabs the ball. The shot clock should be reset.

The rule states the ball must leave the shooter's hand before the expiration of time, and the try does not subsequently strike the ring or flange, or enter the basket.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Yes they did...what they didn't see, and what took them by surprise, is that the shot clock was reset.

As for the rest of the situation, I believe they handled it correctly except for the throw-in spot. Once they were aware of the shot clock - because B's Coach was screaming - they stopped play and fixed things.

Agreed. The officials did what they were allowed to do, and that's go to the monitor, determine that ball did not hit the rim, then fixed the shot clock to what it should have been at the stoppage if it had not been improperly reset.

There is also a case play (A.R. 153) where, if the officials had waited another 4-5 seconds to discover the error, then checked the monitor, they would have to declare the shot clock violation, put time back on the clock to where the shot clock violation occured, and B would get the ball.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Duffman

A bit of a hijack but also related....

Does anyball that hits the rim reset the shot clock. A1 attempts an entry pass into A2, ball is deflected by defender B2, it hits the rim and is collected by A3.

Correct to reset the shot clock?

NCAA - yes, it has to be a try. 4-63 - Shot Clock "A shot clock is one of the two official visable timepieces that display the amount of time the team in control has to release a try for a field goal so that it hits the ring or flange."

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

NBA: Anytime the ball hits the rim of the team in possession of the ball, the shot clock resets

NCAA: I believe it has to be a try.

correct. in NCAA-M, if a pass/deflected ball hits the rim, by rule, the shot clock does not reset. (that's a rule that should be changed btw....)

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

correct. in NCAA-M, if a pass/deflected ball hits the rim, by rule, the shot clock does not reset. (that's a rule that should be changed btw....)

Just wondering why you think that rule should be changed???

Do you think that a pass that is deflected by the defense and hits the rim and is grabbed by the offense again should somehow reward the offense by giving them more time? I don't get what you are thinking here...

[NDRef]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

NCAA-Men. Conference championship game under 1 minute.

A1 shoots from elbow and is blocked by B1. The ball comes down about half way between shooter and basket. B2 grabs the ball, kicks it out to the wing who takes the the ball out top to set up a new play because the shot clock has been reset!

Coach B going nuts. The trail blows the play dead and goes to the replay with the R. They review the video and determine 2 seconds on the shot clock. They put the ball on the endline to resume play.

A couple of things:

1. None of the crew saw the shot not hit the basket/ rim.

2. Shame on the table for resetting shot clock.

3. If no one saw the shot clock reset how can you blow the play dead to see what the coach is yelling about?

4. The tv replay showed the shot clock was reset somewhere between 9 and 11 seconds. But the officials reset the shot clock to 2 because that is where the game was when they blew the whistle.

5. The ball was almost at half court when the play was blown dead. Why put the ball in play under the basket? That was where the ball was when the shot clock was reset- but then the shot clock should be at 9-11 seconds?

Good table help is hard to find!!!

I watched the game....there was NEVER an issue of whether the shot hit the rim or not. The issue\mistake that the table made was resetting the shot clock because the shot clock operater mistakenly judged that the the defense had gained possession, then lost it (they actually never had possession) during a "scramble" for the ball. This table crew was plenty "good"--just made a mistake...and that mistake was mostly corrected. No different than the mistake by the officiating crew by putting the ball in play at the wrong sopt. By the way, the team, WIU, ended up scoring immediately on the inbounds play.