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fullor30 Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:10am

[QUOTE=tref;830422]Rich, in my opinion the left foot of the defender is still sliding to the right & his body moves slightly right when the contact occurs.



What does left foot moving have to do with anything? He's established. Of course he moves when there is contact???

Rob1968 Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:11am

Just maybe . . .
 
It's a running jumpshot, with the shooter's right foot leaving the playing surface before the left. From the Lead's position, he sees the right foot off the floor, and judges that he's in the air. Hence, the block call.
But, with our other angles, and slow motion, we see that the shooter is not actually in the air until after the defender has LGP. Thus, PC.

tref Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:14am

fullor30, In my opinion this 2ndary defender sliding in from the left side never had LGP. Even if he did, in your opinion, he may move to maintain LGP but not into the path of the shooter. That's just the way I see this play, especially from the endline angle.

ballgame99 Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:26am

Correction tref, the defender CAN move into the path of the shooter if that shooter has not become airborne (sorry I don't have rule ref handy). This defender does slide into LGP during the shooters shooting motion, but is there before shooter leaves the floor.

tref Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:32am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 830436)
Correction tref, the defender CAN move into the path of the shooter if that shooter has not become airborne (sorry I don't have rule ref handy). This defender does slide into LGP during the shooters shooting motion, but is there before shooter leaves the floor.

True, after obtaining LGP the defender may move to maintain it & can slide into the path provided they get there first.
In my opinion he never got LGP because his left foot was still sliding to the right trying to obtain LGP.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:35am

CHARGE IT!!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I would have expected MTD, Jr., to be making that PC call from the L position by the end of the second game of his career.

Camron Rust Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:52am

Charge....very close...but still a charge.

Rich Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 830444)
CHARGE IT!!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I would have expected MTD, Jr., to be making that PC call from the L position by the end of the second game of his career.

You're exaggerating. This was an extremely close call and the responses here prove that to me. It's why I wanted to put it up for us to look at.

I respect the block call. I would've respected a PC call. It is really, really close.

Sometimes I think the "default to charge" mentality has taken the old "it's always a block" and swung completely the other way. I think a lot of officials at lower levels aren't looking at the plays and when there's a crash, just going the other way. Not at this level and I'm not talking about anyone here.

fullor30 Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 830442)
True, after obtaining LGP the defender may move to maintain it & can slide into the path provided they get there first.
In my opinion he never got LGP because his left foot was still sliding to the right trying to obtain LGP.

Again, what does left foot have to do with anything? He's already set, his body doesn't budge, in other words, his body never moves right due to left foot moving. let me ask you, if left foot moved backward and all else is same, what is your call?

It's very close , yet IMHO you're arriving at your call for the wrong reasons.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 830449)
You're exaggerating. This was an extremely close call and the responses here prove that to me. It's why I wanted to put it up for us to look at.

I respect the block call. I would've respected a PC call. It is really, really close.

Sometimes I think the "default to charge" mentality has taken the old "it's always a block" and swung completely the other way. I think a lot of officials at lower levels aren't looking at the plays and when there's a crash, just going the other way. Not at this level and I'm not talking about anyone here.


Rich:

With all do respect, I thought it was an easy call. Either the defender established a LGP or he didn't and I thought it was a no brainer, at least for me, that it was a charge.

It is my opinion that too many times a block is called on a bang-bang block/charge, when it really is a charge, and this is because the official either does not the rule, fails to officiate the defense, or (at the H.S. level) is afraid to call a charge because a block is the expected call by coaches in far too many areas.

MTD, Sr.

fullor30 Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 830454)
Rich:

With all do respect, I thought it was an easy call. Either the defender established a LGP or he didn't and I thought it was a no brainer, at least for me, that it was a charge.

It is my opinion that too many times a block is called on a bang-bang block/charge, when it really is a charge, and this is because the official either does not the rule, fails to officiate the defense, or (at the H.S. level) is afraid to call a charge because a block is the expected call by coaches in far too many areas.

MTD, Sr.

Agreed, it was close, but it was a charge.

Adam Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 830442)
True, after obtaining LGP the defender may move to maintain it & can slide into the path provided they get there first.
In my opinion he never got LGP because his left foot was still sliding to the right trying to obtain LGP.

If his foot is sliding, then it's on the floor and he has LGP.

I haven't seen the video yet.

BillyMac Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:51pm

Agree ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 830444)
CHARGE

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just another ref Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:36pm

He continues to reach new plateaus.

tref Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 830513)
He continues to reach new plateaus.

That was a good episode though! :D


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