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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 09:12am
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I understand that but assume it is not and B1 is completely legal.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 09:41am
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I understand that but assume it is not and B1 is completely legal.
Then it's nothing.

The Absolute refers to plays where a defender is behind a ball-handler.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 09:45am
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Then it's nothing.

The Absolute refers to plays where a defender is behind a ball-handler.
I see what you're saying but that's not what I see in the post I quoted.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 10:03am
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I see what you're saying but that's not what I see in the post I quoted.
Yeah, I saw that, that's why I posted. Luckily I don't succumb to GROUPTHINK and just blindly follow other posters.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 10:18am
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The C is standing there flat footed...never moves to get an angle on the play. No way he can even see what happens there. And then he stands there shaking his head from side to side...all he had to do was take one step up or down and he would have been able to make the call. Have to fight for an angle on plays all the time.
I'll have to disagree with this. The C is in perfect position to referee this play. Only "Move to Improve". C's position has nothing do with him not having a whistle on the play. I'll bet in hindsight that if he had a chance to call it again he would.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 10:21am
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I'll have to disagree with this. The C is in perfect position to referee this play. Only "Move to Improve". C's position has nothing do with him not having a whistle on the play. I'll bet in hindsight that if he had a chance to call it again he would.
Agreed, I think the C had a great look. Just missed the call. I'm quite sure when he saw the tape he said "Doh!!!".
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 10:25am
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Wrong. Ray Charles can't see. He's dead. Been dead for eight years.
EXACTLY!!!!! Even a blind, dead-man can see that this was a blocking foul....
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 11:18am
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I'll have to disagree with this. The C is in perfect position to referee this play. Only "Move to Improve". C's position has nothing do with him not having a whistle on the play. I'll bet in hindsight that if he had a chance to call it again he would.
Ok...then I will have to disagree with you, too. Once the offensive player started his move, the C was looking at nothing but the dribbler's back. No way he could see the knee that got stuck out there by the defender. Imho, that's why he didn't have a whistle on the play. He should have "moved to improve" on this play.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 11:20am
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Haven't read comments yet but this is a very close call in real time.

After watching the replay I think it's clearly a block. In real time, I see why this was passed on and think I may have done the same if I was not sure.

Seeing the ballhandler lose the ball though I think I would have gone block. And again, with the advantage of replay I think that's the correct call.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 11:24am
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Ok...then I will have to disagree with you, too. Once the offensive player started his move, the C was looking at nothing but the dribbler's back. No way he could see the knee that got stuck out there by the defender. Imho, that's why he didn't have a whistle on the play. He should have "moved to improve" on this play.
I noticed that, too, when I watched it. I think he couldn't tell who was responsible so he hesitated and eventually gave up on the call.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 11:31am
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I noticed that, too, when I watched it. I think he couldn't tell who was responsible so he hesitated and eventually gave up on the call.
Agreed...and since we are guessing here, my guess is that he thought the ball handler created contact and he wasn't going to "bail him out" after the player lost the ball. That's why he was shaking his head "no". Again - just guessing here.
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 11:32am
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Uh-oh, snaqs...more "group think"?? Or is that "GROUP THINK"?
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You guys are not Ray Charles I see.

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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 11:41am
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Uh-oh, snaqs...more "group think"?? Or is that "GROUP THINK"?
Come on man, it's one word. "GROUPTHINK"
How many flash cards and shock treatments does it take?
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Old Mon Mar 05, 2012, 11:43am
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You guys are not Ray Charles I see.

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