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truerookie Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:07am
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Originally Posted by Brad (Post 829767)
The awful thinking is that it is one call early in the half and a different call with 4.4 seconds left.
Brad, come on!! You're a very knowledgeable individual. You know that same exact call will not be made with that little time left on the clock.

The mindset: Let the player decide the game. Not realizing officials decide the game when they adjudge to rule that amount of contact as incidental with that little time left on the clock.

Brad Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:13am
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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829774)
Brad, come on!! You're a very knowledgeable individual. You know that same exact call will not be made with that little time left on the clock.

The mindset: Let the player decide the game. Not realizing officials decide the game when they adjudge to rule that amount of contact as incidental with that little time left on the clock.
Not calling a foul is not "letting the players decide" the game. This is not what they teach at the NCAA or NBA level. It shouldn't be done in high school either and, if it is, it's wrong.

For the record, I think it should be a no call early in the half, late in the half, end of the game, at half court, under the basket, in the box, with a fox, on a boat, with a goat, etc.

johnny d Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:50am
truerookie, i have to agree with brad here. if you think this is a foul at any other time or place in the game than it is a foul with 4.4 seconds left. if you dont think it is a foul, than it shouldnt be a foul regardless of time or place in the game. if you base your calls on the philosophy that you would call this a foul early in the game but not late, you wont be in this business for long.

Camron Rust Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:58am
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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829769)
Snaqwells you should be a fortune teller. The one thing I will not do is allow GROUPTHINK influence how I should apply a rule. I stand by my assessment. You will not get this call with that little time on the clock versus the early part of the half.

I really enjoy how you and your GROUPTHINK MEMBERS can make an assessment of others and haven't even seen them on the court/film/person or anything.
GROUPTHINK? Sort of sounds like a synonym for consistency to me.

Raymond Mon Mar 05, 2012 01:14am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 829743)
It was not a PC at any point in the game. A1 landed followed by incidental contact with B1.
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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829765)
So, it's ok to crash even after you land. You stated yourself he returned back to the floor and followed by incidental contact. So he landed safely and still crashes into the defender.
While you rail on about GROUPTHINK you apparently need to learn to read my posts. I said it wasn't a PC at any point in the game. And I said there was incidental contact after A1 landed--incidental contact meaning no foul.

And if there was a foul, it would have to be charging/pushing since the try was released. How do you have a PC foul in an NCAA-M's game after the try is released?

truerookie Mon Mar 05, 2012 09:30am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 829787)
While you rail on about GROUPTHINK you apparently need to learn to read my posts. I said it wasn't a PC at any point in the game. And I said there was incidental contact after A1 landed--incidental contact meaning no foul.

And if there was a foul, it would have to be charging/pushing since the try was released. How do you have a PC foul in an NCAA-M's game after the try is released?
I don't know I don't concern myself with the differences. I don't work those level.

truerookie Mon Mar 05, 2012 09:30am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 829780)
GROUPTHINK? Sort of sounds like a synonym for consistency to me.
:D, In your opinion.

truerookie Mon Mar 05, 2012 09:32am
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Originally Posted by Brad (Post 829775)
Not calling a foul is not "letting the players decide" the game. This is not what they teach at the NCAA or NBA level. It shouldn't be done in high school either and, if it is, it's wrong.

For the record, I think it should be a no call early in the half, late in the half, end of the game, at half court, under the basket, in the box, with a fox, on a boat, with a goat, etc.
Ok!

truerookie Mon Mar 05, 2012 09:35am
Look I will just observe MARCH MADNESS and see how consistent a similiar play being discussed here will be called throughout the tournment.

Welpe Mon Mar 05, 2012 09:57am
Groupthink, it really is the choice of a new generation.

At any rate, I'll join the burgeoning hivemind and say I have no call on this. Not in the first minute of the game, not at the end where there is much fame to gain.

Neigh...no call, no way.

Raymond Mon Mar 05, 2012 09:59am
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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829849)
Look I will just observe MARCH MADNESS and see how consistent a similiar play being discussed here will be called throughout the tournment.
If you watched games this weekend you would have seen similar plays that had no whistle on them.

And what you label "GROUPTHINK" is often "EXPERIENCE". And maybe some with more experience than you, including the officials in that game, have determined the difference between a "crash" (Harvard/Penn) and "incidental contact" (TSU/MSU).

All_Heart Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:04am
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Originally Posted by Brad (Post 829775)
For the record, I think it should be a no call early in the half, late in the half, end of the game, at half court, under the basket, in the box, with a fox, on a boat, with a goat, etc.
F*!@ing HILARIOUS!! Post of the Month! :D

This is a great no call! (I'm going with the majority here b/c I don't know how to think for myself :rolleyes:)

BillyMac Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:09am
How Did You Like The Lorax ???
 
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Originally Posted by Brad (Post 829775)
in the box, with a fox, on a boat, with a goat, etc.
Brad: You're a few days late. Dr. Suess' birthday was Friday, March 2.

Welpe Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:15am
Wow! I didn't even see Brad's "Dr. Seuss" response. The groupthink is strong with this bunch. :eek:

BillyMac Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:22am
Grape, My Favorite Color ...
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 829870)
Wow! I didn't even see Brad's "Dr. Seuss" response. The groupthink is strong with this bunch.
The Kool Aid was delicious.


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