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Brad Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:19am
The no call is correct here. Defender is trying to get in there and create contact — he is moving slightly under the shooter. The shooter doesn't make very much contact though. You can tell, because the shooter never goes to the floor.

This is what a flop looks like folks.

JugglingReferee Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:57am
I'd like to see the play that "was similar just a few minutes earlier".

Toren Sun Mar 04, 2012 08:12pm
First viewing, I say no call.

truerookie Sun Mar 04, 2012 08:25pm
I say if this was in the early part of the half. This would be a PC. By it being with 4.4 seconds left you will not get this call.

Brad Sun Mar 04, 2012 09:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829725)
I say if this was in the early part of the half. This would be a PC. By it being with 4.4 seconds left you will not get this call.
That is awful thinking and I hope that you don't really referee that way.

Raymond Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829725)
I say if this was in the early part of the half. This would be a PC. By it being with 4.4 seconds left you will not get this call.
It was not a PC at any point in the game. A1 landed followed by incidental contact with B1.

Adam Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by Brad (Post 829738)
That is awful thinking and I hope that you don't really referee that way.
Won't get past middle school with that mindset in most areas.

truerookie Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:51pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 829743)
It was not a PC at any point in the game. A1 landed followed by incidental contact with B1.
So, it's ok to crash even after you land. You stated yourself he returned back to the floor and followed by incidental contact. So he landed safely and still crashes into the defender.

truerookie Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad (Post 829738)
That is awful thinking and I hope that you don't really referee that way.
How is this awful? The shooter is airborne returns back to the floor safely and still crashes into the defender.

Brad Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829766)
How is this awful? The shooter is airborne returns back to the floor safely and still crashes into the defender.
The awful thinking is that it is one call early in the half and a different call with 4.4 seconds left.

Nevadaref Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829765)
So, it's ok to crash even after you land. You stated yourself he returned back to the floor and followed by incidental contact. So he landed safely and still crashes into the defender.
The difference is that he ajudges the contact to be incidental while you are calling it a crash. Those are two very different things and why you are not in agreement.

truerookie Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:00am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 829756)
Won't get past middle school with that mindset in most areas.
Snaqwells you should be a fortune teller. The one thing I will not do is allow GROUPTHINK influence how I should apply a rule. I stand by my assessment. You will not get this call with that little time on the clock versus the early part of the half.

I really enjoy how you and your GROUPTHINK MEMBERS can make an assessment of others and haven't even seen them on the court/film/person or anything.

truerookie Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:03am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 829768)
The difference is that he ajudges the contact to be incidental while you are calling it a crash. Those are two very different things and why you are not in agreement.
I stand by my assesment. The same principle applies if this play happened at half court. A crash happened

Brad Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:06am
Quote:
Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829769)
Snaqwells you should be a fortune teller. The one thing I will not do is allow GROUPTHINK influence how I should apply a rule. I stand by my assessment. You will not get this call with that little time on the clock versus the early part of the half.

I really enjoy how you and your GROUPTHINK MEMBERS can make an assessment of others and haven't even seen them on the court/film/person or anything.
Every stop to think that it's not GROUPTHINK, but several individuals agreeing, which makes it a CONSENSUS?

My response was based on what you WROTE. It's awful thinking. And if you referee like that, it's awful. I don't need to see you on the court to determine that.

You can be a great guy and a good referee and still be wrong :)

Brad Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:06am
Quote:
Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 829771)
I stand by my assesment. The same principle applies if this play happened at half court. A crash happened
A crash involves two people ... in this clip only one went to the floor.


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