Communication

[loners4me]

Set the ball down to show the spot and join your partners discussions. I'd want to know the situation proir to throw in

[tref]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Set the ball down to show the spot and join your partners discussions. I'd want to know the situation proir to throw in

So when I did that (except for setting the ball down on the sideline where someone could step on it & sprain an ankle) the Cs story changed from "I was going to ask the table for information" to "I was going to put 1.3 on the clock."

Either way my main concern in post game was that we deviated from the pregame in the most crucial time of the game. Why?

I was told that I caused a huge game interrupter because I wanted to know what was going on.

I'm thinking if the time jumps from .6 to 1.3 the coach I'm administering in front would want to know why as a trip to the Great 8 is on the line. If I dont get in there prior to the time being adjusted I've got no info to provide.

In summation we agree that each crew member should be afforded info in this situation. But do we have a preference on who corrects the clock & who brings the coaches together to explain whats what??

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

... But do we have a preference on who corrects the clock & who brings the coaches together to explain whats what??

Crew Chief, IMO, because he is the one who is responsible for any game report or info to the supervisor. I don't want the U1 or U2 telling the table and coaches something and then me telling my supervisor "Well, Bob told me he told the coach blah-blah-blah" and supervisor is saying "The coach said Bob said wonk-wonk-wonk"

[tref]

Okay, so as the R on the game I'm not wrong for:

1. Expecting the crew to stick to the pregame?

2. Holding up the C (U2) from going to the table?

3. Making sure I know what we have before proceeding?

Couldn't believe they said by doing those things I created a game interrupter!
Had we stuck to the script it would've been much smoother.

I gave the C my toss to create a team atmosphere as he was the vet & I can tell he doesnt appreciate not being the R when we work together.
My pregame was stomped on by the C & many officials in the stands have said it looked as though the C was trying to take over the game well before that situation came up.

I work with the T again on Saturday & that's cool, but I dont know how to move forward with the C. he obviously doesnt respect what I do or he just says whether I'm the R or not, I'm running this game.
Thoughts?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tref

Okay, so as the R on the game I'm not wrong for:

1. Expecting the crew to stick to the pregame?

2. Holding up the C (U2) from going to the table?

3. Making sure I know what we have before proceeding?

Couldn't believe they said by doing those things I created a game interrupter!
Had we stuck to the script it would've been much smoother.

I gave the C my toss to create a team atmosphere as he was the vet & I can tell he doesnt appreciate not being the R when we work together.
My pregame was stomped on by the C & many officials in the stands have said it looked as though the C was trying to take over the game well before that situation came up.

I work with the T again on Saturday & that's cool, but I dont know how to move forward with the C. he obviously doesnt respect what I do or he just says whether I'm the R or not, I'm running this game.
Thoughts?

Game interrupter, my a$$.

Last night we had a basket that made the game a 3 point game with 4 seconds left. *Both* teams asked for a timeout and I granted it to the team closest to me -- the team going on defense. Only problem was that the clock continued to run and the other team inbounded the ball and by the time I was able to get everything stopped, a full second had come off the clock. (I'm really glad I looked up and got the time when I granted the timeout, BTW.)

I went to my partner and told him what I was going to do, went to the table and gave my instructions to set the clock to 4 seconds, then went to *both* head coaches and told them. I even answered a question by an assistant (that was actually a good question). Game interrupter? My a$$. Everyone was entitled to know exactly why I was doing what I was doing. Your "partner" had no business putting time back on the clock without letting you and the third know exactly what he was doing and why. If you were asked by a coach after he puts time back up and you don't know why....that's just horrible.

This is the time when you want to make sure that absolutely everything is right. If you are the R on the game and you have a critical piece of information that changes how things would be administered, how do you think *that's* going to look to a supervisor/evaluator?

A comment like that simply pi$$es me off and I wasn't even there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tref

Okay, so as the R on the game I'm not wrong for:

1. Expecting the crew to stick to the pregame?

2. Holding up the C (U2) from going to the table?

3. Making sure I know what we have before proceeding?

Couldn't believe they said by doing those things I created a game interrupter!
Had we stuck to the script it would've been much smoother.

I gave the C my toss to create a team atmosphere as he was the vet & I can tell he doesnt appreciate not being the R when we work together.
My pregame was stomped on by the C & many officials in the stands have said it looked as though the C was trying to take over the game well before that situation came up.

I work with the T again on Saturday & that's cool, but I dont know how to move forward with the C. he obviously doesnt respect what I do or he just says whether I'm the R or not, I'm running this game.
Thoughts?

Here's my two cents worth of advice...

1. THE RULES state that the R is the official who corrects a timing mistake. NFHS references are 2-5-5 and 5-10-1. Part of my pregame is that if we are going to change anything with the clock or scoring, then the R needs to be involved. Cuts out a great deal of hassle. Add this comment when you are the R and you will never find yourself in such a situation again.

2. If you wish to be kind and cater to a vet by delagating that is cool, but I have to question doing so for one whom you know has an attitude issue. I have no problem having a senior partner be the R for a contest, even if I got scheduled for it. However, I would only do this for a partner whom I respect, know that he respects me, and whom I believe has the proper attitude. For the cranky, old vet who doesn't think that I am worthy of being the R, I'm damn sure going to be the R. Here's why: In 15 years of doing this, I've found that with these folks you don't gain their respect by sitting back and letting them do everything. That only feeds their mistaken perception of you. You need to be strong and take care of business. Then when you do, you need to do it right.

3. You need to stand up to the guy who was the C on this. You can do that without being an @ss or disrespectful, but you need to be firm. You cannot continue to allow a partner to lack respect for you on the court or in the lockerroom. It makes you look poor and the crew look poor. It's really that simple.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Crew Chief, IMO, because he is the one who is responsible for any game report or info to the supervisor. I don't want the U1 or U2 telling the table and coaches something and then me telling my supervisor "Well, Bob told me he told the coach blah-blah-blah" and supervisor is saying "The coach said Bob said wonk-wonk-wonk"

I never even thought about this possibility but it's dead on accurate IMO.

Tref: Does the R do a game report for Sweet 16 games around here?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

I never even thought about this possibility but it's dead on accurate IMO.

Tref: Does the R do a game report for Sweet 16 games around here?

Think about your situation with the 3 point alley oop, you guys had 2 seperate convos & words were twisted & confusion was the result.
You dont think things get twisted from one official to coach conference to the next? Many people have said to take someone to the table with you when correcting something so significant in my situation & also have a partner present when telling the coaches what we have & how play will resume!

Game report? This is HS basketball
We didnt even have an observer & boy do I wish we had
I felt as though people that stopped by the lockerroom last night shared my same thoughts, but didnt want to ruffle any feathers.
I did complete my evaluation of partners on Arbiter though & I was quite honest.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

Think about your situation with the 3 point alley oop, you guys had 2 seperate convos & words were twisted & confusion was the result.

Most definitely!

Originally Posted by tref

Game report? This is HS basketball
We didnt even have an observer & boy do I wish we had
I felt as though people that stopped by the lockerroom last night shared my same thoughts, but didnt want to ruffle any feathers.
I did complete my evaluation of partners on Arbiter though & I was quite honest.

I had no problem giving my honest opinion. We can't get better unless our peers give us honest feedback. If I can do something better it does me no good if nobody ever tells me. So I respect the guys in the locker room enough to give honest feedback.

[tref]

Toren, I appreciate you keeping it real with me about that as well as the things I could've done better! But I was talking about DH & the family members of the T that stopped by briefly. I could tell they felt the same way & I'm sure Sr will address Jr & I about it in Saturdays pregame. I just needed confirmation that my thought process was correct... got it from the Forum as well as 2 of our Big 4.