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mbyron Tue Feb 28, 2012 09:05am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 828335)
I've been taught to never stop the game for a net...

Me too, but I did so once because it was the most interesting thing that happened in that game.

constable Tue Feb 28, 2012 09:20am

Check with your assignor. Around here, our HS assignor wants us to err on the side of caution. If the game can be stopped without putting a team at a disadvantage we are instructed to do so.

truerookie Tue Feb 28, 2012 09:46am

Good discussion here, it is also a sign that the net needs to be replaced.

I'v also been taught not to stop the game to fix the net.

MD Longhorn Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:19am

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 828409)
Check with your assignor. Around here, our HS assignor wants us to err on the side of caution. If the game can be stopped without putting a team at a disadvantage we are instructed to do so.

But if the defender was behind the play to tie his shoe, aren't you putting A at a disadvantage by preventing what had become a 5 on 4?

JRutledge Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:22am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 828392)
Is the song stuck in your head?

No.

Peace

Rich Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:27am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 828392)
Is the song stuck in your head?

No, but my empty "Ignore List" may get one bigger soon.

M&M Guy Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:46am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 828361)
Yes, I've seen it. It was hung up so much that no ball was going to get through. It took a ladder to get up there and unhook it. Even a roller would be affected by the bumping the twine that is laying across the top of the rim...it may make a shot go in that would not have or it may make a shot miss that would have gone it.

The team doesn't make the net get hung up, so any advantage they get is just a part of the game. And most of the time, the other team isn't pushing the tempo while they are wanting to press anyway so stopping it has no effect at all.

Well, there you go - 1 isolated event in 2 officials' lifetimes. Still not enough for me to warrant stopping a game every time a net gets stuck. Especially since I haven't seen a rule, case play, or mention in the official's manual that backs stopping live play for this. Fix it during the next dead ball.

Of course, check with your local assignor or association to see if there's a policy.

BillyMac Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:52am

And It Was Barely On Topic, Just Barely ...
 
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 828425)
No, but my empty "Ignore List" may get one bigger soon.

Hey. I gave you all a choice. You didn't have to open up the link. In my post, and in the title of the post, I described what the link was all about. And I purposely didn't embed the link so as not to put the video "right in anybody's face". It was a cute, catchy, novelty song about shoe laces. What harm could have come from it. And for someone of my advanced age, Dodie Stevens is hot, and a Mom. I'm just not sure if she's single.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Feb 28, 2012 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 828422)
But if the defender was behind the play to tie his shoe, aren't you putting A at a disadvantage by preventing what had become a 5 on 4?



To answer your question: No. Read my first post (#11) in this thread.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Feb 28, 2012 01:37pm

With regard to the net hanging up on the rim.
 
I agree with Camron (another shot at your credibility, :D) that the net's proper position is not hanging up on the rim and therefore can not do the job for which it is designed to do, and that is to check the ball. I think that Camron and I have a difference of opinion as to when is the correct time to stop the game to correct the equipment malfunction.

Rut is correct that Mary Struckhoff of the NFHS issued a ruling a few years ago with regard to a net hung up on a net. Without climbing up into the attic (Nevada, I am sure you can find and post her ruling for us) I believe that her ruling said, and I am paraphrasing here: If A1's successful FGA causes the net to hangup on the basket ring, the game officials should wait until Team A is again in possession of the ball before stopping the game to fix the net. The reasoning is that to stop the game immediately could stop a fast-break attempt by Team B. If my memory serves me correctly, the NCAA came out with a ruling at about the same time requiring schools to have someone at each basket that could fix the net while the ball was still in play at the other end of the court.

From a historical standpoint, over the years I have had a number of interpreters and officials, who were all considerably older than me, tell me that the NFHS and NCAA interpretation going back to the NBCUSC rules was the same ruling that Mary Struckhoof gave a few years back. I have never been able to find any written corroboration of their statements, but I have no reason to doubt them.

It is my humble opinion that this will be a problem that will always good judgement by the game officials as to when to stop the game to fix the problem so as to not deny a team a goal scoring opportunity (yikes, a soccer phrase, :eek:).

MTD, Sr.


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