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tref Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 827020)
Which is why I'd respond the same whether the player in question is on the bench or in the locker room.
If we DQ or eject a player & they go to the lockrroom, they must be accompanied by an adult. Is that the same as if coach says its a wrap??
Coach did that not us.

Adam Thu Feb 23, 2012 01:06pm
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Originally Posted by tref (Post 827029)
If we DQ or eject a player & they go to the lockrroom, they must be accompanied by an adult. Is that the same as if coach says its a wrap??
Coach did that not us.
My point is, if the coach says he's not eligible, I'm good with that. I'm not forcing him to send the kid off the bench.

just another ref Thu Feb 23, 2012 01:10pm
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Originally Posted by tref (Post 827029)
If we DQ or eject a player & they go to the lockrroom, they must be accompanied by an adult. Is that the same as if coach says its a wrap??
Coach did that not us.
Had a local kid here quit the team during a game once. Left his uniform in the locker room at halftime and went home. No rule against that.

fullor30 Thu Feb 23, 2012 01:21pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 826980)
Best sports movie ever: Hoosiers or Rudy?
Coach Norman Dale or Rudy Ruettiger? C'mon man.

Sharpshooternes Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:40pm
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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 827014)
The referees let this team start with 7 players? Around here 5 players get to play at a time :D

Yes he can legally play with 4. As Snags said, the player should not have gone to the locker room alone, he needed to be accompanied by an adult.
Why can't they go alone and where is the rule?

BillyMac Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:50pm
Am I Allowed To Use My Flux Capacitor ???
 
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 827114)
Why can't they go alone and where is the rule?
Didn't the rule once stipulate that the player was ejected to the locker room? Wait? Am I allowed to take a nostalgic look back at old rules? All I've got are my memories. Please don't take them away from me.

Adam Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:50pm
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 827114)
Why can't they go alone and where is the rule?
I believe this generally a state issue; but I'm not doing or saying anything that would encourage a coach to send his player to the locker room by himself.

tref Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:54pm
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 827114)
Why can't they go alone and where is the rule?
10.5(b)

Adam Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:59pm
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Originally Posted by tref (Post 827128)
10.5(b)
Which applies to flagrant DQs, but not coaching dismissals.

tref Thu Feb 23, 2012 03:03pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 827132)
Which applies to flagrant DQs, but not coaching dismissals.
Just answering a question, I agree there is a difference between a player being DQ'd/ejected & the coach saying "hit the showers kid, youre done." The former is by rule & the latter is the coaches decision.

And if the player quits as jar said, then they are no longer a team member.

JugglingReferee Thu Feb 23, 2012 04:24pm
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Originally Posted by Wellmer (Post 826953)
This happened in a sub district game the other night and I heard this second hand and have not found it yet in the rule book. Here goes :

A team starts the game with 7 players. One fouls out leaving them with 6. As the game goes along, one of the players on this team gets into it with the coach and the coach tells him to go to the locker room, he's done for the night. During the 4th quarter, another player fouls out leaving this team with only 4 players on the floor. They would still have 5 except the coach told the disruptive player on his team to hit the high road to the locker room. Here's the question, does the coach have to put that player back in or can he legally play with 4? That player wasn't actually disqualifed from the game, only told to leave by his coach. The kicker is, this team actually ended up holding on for the win to advance to the next round.
The player should be considered suspended from the team until we hear otherwise.

Playing with 4 is acceptable here.

Toren Thu Feb 23, 2012 05:02pm
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 827114)
Why can't they go alone and where is the rule?
No rule in the book. State rule. I have been told for three years now that players cannot go to the locker room without adult supervision. I also heard it was because a player hanged himself after being ejected...I don't know if this is true or not.

Of course, this isn't an ejection, but I would get game management involved and have an adult accompany the player. That ain't happening on my watch.

BillyMac Thu Feb 23, 2012 05:43pm
You Are Not Outta Here ...
 
If a coach, assistant coach, athletic director, site director, trainer, team chaplain, principal, police officer, or school superintendent wants to send a player, unescorted, with no adult supervision, to the "showers", then, in my opinion, it's none of my business and I'm not saying a word.

However, I will never, under ordinary circumstances, "eject" a player to the "showers". If a player on the bench continues to create problems, and I'm forced to rule that a player must leave the bench, then I'm telling the coach that the player must be accompanied by an adult.

Welpe Thu Feb 23, 2012 05:49pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 827196)
If a coach, assistant coach, athletic director, site director, trainer, team chaplain, principal, police officer, or school superintendent wants to send a player, unescorted, with no adult supervision, to the "showers", then, in my opinion, it's none of my business and I'm not saying a word.

However, I will never, under ordinary circumstances, "eject" a player to the "showers". If a player on the bench continues to create problems, and I'm forced to rule that a player must leave the bench, then I'm telling the coach that the player must be accompanied by an adult.
Well said, I agree. I have not received any other guidance from our state on this matter.

mbyron Thu Feb 23, 2012 07:02pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 827132)
Which applies to flagrant DQs, but not coaching dismissals.
What's the rationale? Wouldn't it apply equally, though it might not be equally enforceable?


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