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BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:35am

Those Were The Days My Friend, We Thought They'd Never End ...
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826583)
Or maybe he was just describing the play.

He didn't give us the uniform colors. That wasn't relevant.

He did tell us that there was a player under the dunker. Maybe he, or a partner, thought it was relevant. If it was relevant then I stand by my posts.

If it wasn't relevant, then I apologize for wasting Forum member's time with a stroll down memory lane. Maybe I'll give Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. a call tonight and we can reminisce about the good old days.

twocentsworth Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:40am

Doug Shows called the T for three reasons:

1) Anthony Davis pulled himself up on the rim (yes....while his body was swinging).
2) John Adams (NCAA Coordinator of Officials) wants these plays called a T.
3) Doug Shows wants to be rewarded with NCAA tourney games for calling what John Adams wants.

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:40am

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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 826588)
Doug Shows called the T for three reasons:

1) Anthony Davis pulled himself up on the rim (yes....while his body was swinging).

Good call then.

Rich Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:41am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826583)
Or maybe he was just describing the play.

I stand by my previous reading comprehension comment.

Exactly. While I'm as nostalgic as the next guy, rehashing rulings that *used* to be in effect 30 years ago is rarely helpful or germane to the discussion.

BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:50am

Stand By Your Man ...
 
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 826592)
While I'm as nostalgic as the next guy, rehashing rulings that used to be in effect 30 years ago is rarely helpful or germane to the discussion.

Let's ask Spence. If the defender under the dunker was relevant, or germane, to the situation, then, again, I stand by my posts. The defender being under the dunker was part of an old rule, now long gone, that may be confusing some veterans, kind of like a myth.

If Spence tells us that the defender under the dunker was just some extraneous information, like a uniform color, then I will stand by my apology.

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:53am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826595)
Let's ask Spence. If the defender under the dunker was relevant, or germane, to the situation, then, again, I stand by my posts. The defender being under the dunker was part of an old rule, now long gone, that may be confusing some veterans, kind of like a myth.

If Spence tells us that the defender under the dunker was just some extraneous information, like a uniform color, then I will stand by my apology.

Egads. Just forget it, I really don't care.

BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:57am

You Don't Care, Or You No Longer Care ???
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826525)
Does that matter now?

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826533)
Perhaps, or maybe it would just confuse the issue even more.

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826552)
Good grief.

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826583)
Or maybe he was just describing the play. I stand by my previous reading comprehension comment.

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826598)
Egads. Just forget it, I really don't care.

You don't?

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:59am

Maybe you'll understand this better...and hey look, it's almost 30 years old...
 
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MNBlue Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:07pm

You guys bicker like my kids. :eek: :confused: :mad:

Adam Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 826609)
You guys bicker like my kids. :eek: :confused: :mad:

Your kids send each other ancient Phil Collins videos to make a point?

Might want to introduce them to Rick Astley.

BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:17pm

Not Umpire Two ...
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 826615)
Your kids send each other ancient Phil Collins videos to make a point?

Yesterday, they played U2 on the oldies radio station that I often listen to. Man, did that make me feel old.

APG Wed Feb 22, 2012 01:28pm

Hoping we can get back on track, and hoping Billy won't want to compare Naismith's original rules to today's rules, here's a clip of the play:

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Adam Wed Feb 22, 2012 01:33pm

Looks to me like he only need to regain his balance because he held on too long to begin with.

BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 01:44pm

They Used One Of Those Flintstone Cameras ...
 
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 826675)
Hoping we can get back on track, and hoping Billy won't want to compare Naismith's original rules to today's rules, here's a clip of the play.

Just give me a few hours to search YouTube and I'll come up with a video showing Dr. Naismith working a game with Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Imagine Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. with dark hair. Better yet, imagine Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. with hair.

Raymond Wed Feb 22, 2012 01:56pm

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Originally Posted by Spence (Post 826451)
... Momentum causes his body legs fly out ahead of him while dunking. No defender right under him. Do we allow him to hang on the rim to get his balance?

T was called in the Kentucky game.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826595)
Let's ask Spence. If the defender under the dunker was relevant, or germane, to the situation, then, again, I stand by my posts. The defender being under the dunker was part of an old rule, now long gone, that may be confusing some veterans, kind of like a myth.

If Spence tells us that the defender under the dunker was just some extraneous information, like a uniform color, then I will stand by my apology.

Billy, you forgot to include the bolded part of Spence's post which, IMO, speaks to player safety. Like I said before, just b/c he's asking about this play doesn't mean there is a myth. Maybe he's wondering if "safety" includes "getting his balance"?

Now as to this play itself, judgment call. I don't necessarily agree with the call based on this video but I wasn't there and I'm definitely not toting around Doug Shows resume'.


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