Hanging on the Rim
 

A1 dunks on a breakaway. Momentum causes his body legs fly out ahead of him while dunking. No defender right under him. Do we allow him to hang on the rim to get his balance?

T was called in the Kentucky game.

It depends
 

NCAA and NFHS both say a player can grasp the ring to prevent injury. It doesn't matter in either code whether another player is around. It's all up to the judgment of the official.

Saw the play, thought it was a poor call

Agreed.

Yes.

I saw the recap on TSN and I would have passed.

Dunkin Donuts ...
 

Did it ever matter? About twenty-five years ago, didn't the NFHS exception have something to do with a player underneath the dunker? I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to confirm, or deny, my statement. He probably taking his midmorning nap about now.

Does that matter now?

Those Who Don't Know History Are Destined To Repeat It (Edmund Burke) ...
 

Yes it does. It would explain the confusion about the myth that there must be a player under the dunker to allow the dunker to grasp the rim.

Perhaps...or maybe it would just confuse the issue even more.

Misty Water Colored Memories ...
 

For rookies. Yes. I agree. For veterans. Let's debunk the myth.

It looks like Spence needed a little help on this. I'm sure that others may need a little myth debunking as well. I know that I will sometimes need some help with these changes that create such myths.

Good grief.

Add it to your book.

Who said there was a myth? Spence saw a play and asked if others thought the T was appropriate. It's a judgment call.

Sometimes it's your replies that cause the confusion b/c you start bringing up rulings from the 80's.

Rule Changes Can Be A Bit*h ...
 

Spence included, "No defender right under him", in his post. Either Spence is a veteran, or he has talked to veterans about this situation. The defender being under the "rim grasper" used to be relevant to the interpretation. It is no longer relevant to the situation, and the interpretation.

Or maybe he was just describing the play.

I stand by my previous reading comprehension comment.

Those Were The Days My Friend, We Thought They'd Never End ...
 

He didn't give us the uniform colors. That wasn't relevant.

He did tell us that there was a player under the dunker. Maybe he, or a partner, thought it was relevant. If it was relevant then I stand by my posts.

If it wasn't relevant, then I apologize for wasting Forum member's time with a stroll down memory lane. Maybe I'll give Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. a call tonight and we can reminisce about the good old days.

Doug Shows called the T for three reasons:

1) Anthony Davis pulled himself up on the rim (yes....while his body was swinging).
2) John Adams (NCAA Coordinator of Officials) wants these plays called a T.
3) Doug Shows wants to be rewarded with NCAA tourney games for calling what John Adams wants.

Good call then.

Exactly. While I'm as nostalgic as the next guy, rehashing rulings that *used* to be in effect 30 years ago is rarely helpful or germane to the discussion.

Stand By Your Man ...
 

Let's ask Spence. If the defender under the dunker was relevant, or germane, to the situation, then, again, I stand by my posts. The defender being under the dunker was part of an old rule, now long gone, that may be confusing some veterans, kind of like a myth.

If Spence tells us that the defender under the dunker was just some extraneous information, like a uniform color, then I will stand by my apology.

Egads. Just forget it, I really don't care.

You Don't Care, Or You No Longer Care ???
 

You don't?

Maybe you'll understand this better...and hey look, it's almost 30 years old...
 

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You guys bicker like my kids. :eek: :confused: :mad:

Your kids send each other ancient Phil Collins videos to make a point?

Might want to introduce them to Rick Astley.

Not Umpire Two ...
 

Yesterday, they played U2 on the oldies radio station that I often listen to. Man, did that make me feel old.

Hoping we can get back on track, and hoping Billy won't want to compare Naismith's original rules to today's rules, here's a clip of the play:

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Looks to me like he only need to regain his balance because he held on too long to begin with.

They Used One Of Those Flintstone Cameras ...
 

Just give me a few hours to search YouTube and I'll come up with a video showing Dr. Naismith working a game with Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Imagine Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. with dark hair. Better yet, imagine Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. with hair.

Billy, you forgot to include the bolded part of Spence's post which, IMO, speaks to player safety. Like I said before, just b/c he's asking about this play doesn't mean there is a myth. Maybe he's wondering if "safety" includes "getting his balance"?

Now as to this play itself, judgment call. I don't necessarily agree with the call based on this video but I wasn't there and I'm definitely not toting around Doug Shows resume'.

his legs swung out that far because he held on too long. i have no problems with the call.

Soon To Be An Epic Movie ...
 

It's already there. And it's a list, not a book, at least at this point. Know any good publishers?

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6230/6...473e048e_m.jpg

A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. It is legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself or herself or another player.

I think every time Billy posts this image, I'm going to post a picture of the squirrel's balls.

Veterans Versus Old Veterans ...
 

Twenty years ago, I believe that the answer would have been, "No, we do not allow him to hang on the rim because there is no other player right under him, thus, charge a technical foul".

Fast forward to today. Now the answer is, "Yes. We do allow him to hang on the rim because it's legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself, or herself, or another player, thus, no technical foul is charged."

Where are Spence, and Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., when you need them? Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is always underfoot, bothering us, until we really need him, and then, he's taking a nap somewhere.

Now, where are my car keys? I have a game tonight.

Good News ???
 

Does this mean that Chuck Elias is coming back?

You Mean The Squirrels That Live In Central Park ???
 

It's nuts, not balls. Don't you watch David Letterman?

Just once, cause it makes me laugh.

http://www.squirreltesticles.com/med...lTesticles.jpg

Made me laugh, too.

Based on the replay...
 

...I have no call. The player arrests his momentum and immediately lets go of the rim. I would have passed.

Yeah that made me laugh out loud for sure.