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Spence Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:28pm

Intentional Tripping
 
UK MissSt game. Player is mad that a foul wasnt called on a dunk attempt. While staring down the official he kicks out and intentionally trips theoonent heading up the floor.

Called flagrant 1. What would be required for a flagrant 2?

JRutledge Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by Spence (Post 826450)
UK MissSt game. Player is mad that a foul wasnt called on a dunk attempt. While staring down the official he kicks out and intentionally trips theoonent heading up the floor.

Called flagrant 1. What would be required for a flagrant 2?

Simple tripping someone? Not sure I would go Flagrant 2 either without seeing it to know for sure. It could be and I would not rule it out, but it would depend on how hard the player fell or to what extent they tripped them. Then again if there is video that would help too. APG where you at? ;)

Peace

APG Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:46pm

If someone wants to give me a time stamp, I'll have the play up later.

Adam Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:04am

Trying to trip, flagrant 1. Trying to kick, flagrant 2. JMO and the difference could be subtle and subjective.

ODJ Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:20am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 826455)
If someone wants to give me a time stamp, I'll have the play up later.

2nd half, maybe 14 minutes to go. Just after UK's Davis is called for hanging on the rim.

Yes, it was a fun 2 minutes.

La Rikardo Wed Feb 22, 2012 02:01am

Foul occurred with 11:57 to play in the second half. Commentators actually used the phrase "point of interruption" to describe how play would be resumed. They got something right! :eek:

Wait, that's right, right? NCAA rules aren't my specialty.

Adam Wed Feb 22, 2012 02:32am

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Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 826473)
Foul occurred with 11:57 to play in the second half. Commentators actually used the phrase "point of interruption" to describe how play would be resumed. They got something right! :eek:

Wait, that's right, right? NCAA rules aren't my specialty.

Not for the flagrant, it's not. Or did they use it for the dunk?

Blindolbat Wed Feb 22, 2012 03:53am

I really thought they were going to eject him on that play. Especially considering it seemed they were trying to gain some sort of control of the game at that point. Plus if that attempted trip/kick had connected, there would have been a melee.

La Rikardo Wed Feb 22, 2012 04:43am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 826479)
Not for the flagrant, it's not. Or did they use it for the dunk?

No, they used it for the flagrant. Only technicals are resumed from POI in NCAA, then, right? Flagrant personal fouls are resumed as a flagrant or intentional would in NFHS. That makes more sense. Still impressive for a commentator to use book language like "point of interruption" even if it's used at the wrong time.

JugglingReferee Wed Feb 22, 2012 04:48am

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Originally Posted by Spence (Post 826450)
UK MissSt game. Player is mad that a foul wasnt called on a dunk attempt. While staring down the official he kicks out and intentionally trips theoonent heading up the floor.

Called flagrant 1. What would be required for a flagrant 2?

If one judges an act to trip an opponent to be intentional, wouldn't it have to be a far stretch to not be ejectionable?

I hope APG can find the video!

Camron Rust Wed Feb 22, 2012 07:22am

During live action, the official whistled and signaled a T. It didn't appear he saw the kick/trip but was reaction to some verbal disagreement from the player.

They then went to the monitor and came out with a flagrant 1 but there was no mention of the T.

The officials had a somewhat rough time in that game at times. Some big stuff was miss called. They got some tough stuff right too.

The right guy had stepped to the for a pair of FTs after a rebounding foul at the opposite end. For some reason (announcers suggested an opponent pointed out that someone else should be on the line), they change the FT shooter to another player who wasn't close enough to the fouler to have been fouled.

Scrapper1 Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:16am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 826498)
The right guy had stepped to the for a pair of FTs after a rebounding foul at the opposite end. For some reason (announcers suggested an opponent pointed out that someone else should be on the line), they change the FT shooter to another player who wasn't close enough to the fouler to have been fouled.

Did they not go to the monitor for this???? This is one of the few things that I think is good about the monitor rule.

Raymond Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:29am

Channeling my inner BillyMac.

They can based on rule 2-13-2a:

1. Determine who shall attempt a free throw(s) when there is uncertainty.

Scrapper1 Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:32am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 826507)
Channeling my inner BillyMac.

They can based on rule 2-13-2a:

1. Determine who shall attempt a free throw(s) when there is uncertainty.

Exactly. Which is why I'm wondering how it happened?!?! Once there's ANY doubt about the free throw shooter, they should've gone to the monitor to figure it out. Did they not do this?

Camron Rust Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 826505)
Did they not go to the monitor for this???? This is one of the few things that I think is good about the monitor rule.

They did not...and it pretty obvious who was fouled....the guy went flying after being shoved out of the way so the fouler had great rebounding position.


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