Hot dog player talking

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Me: "Coach, I will watch for that. In the meantime, you can take care of your player or I can. It's up to you."

And then walk away from him/her.

If coach deals with that kid, then we are ok. If coach doesn't, then the next time that player complains to anyone on the crew, I will assess the T.

Be careful....RichMSN and Snaqwells with think you're "backing yourself into a corner" if you do that....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Be careful....RichMSN and Snaqwells with think you're "backing yourself into a corner" if you do that....

Nope. I'm fine with this verbiage. No direct threat.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Nope. I'm fine with this verbiage. No direct threat.

Me too, although I am questioning whether two cents is enough for a good reading education.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

"Coach, I will watch for that.

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Be careful, RichMSN and Snaqwells with think you're "backing yourself into a corner" if you do that.

If I got a dollar every time I've said this to a coach over thirty-one years, I'd be a very rich man today. Sometimes I actually meant it. Wait? I can't lie. A few times I actually meant it.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If I got a dollar every time I've said this to a coach over thirty-one years, I'd be a very rich man today. Sometimes I actually meant it. Wait? I can't lie. A few times I actually meant it.

What I've found that works numerous times is to actually watch specifically for a certain event that a coach believes is affecting his team - every time.

When I am able to back up my call or non-call with a step by step prognosis of what happened, I dare say all coaches have accepted my judgement without question.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Be careful....RichMSN and Snaqwells with think you're "backing yourself into a corner" if you do that....

Hmmmm...I can't read minds, but I don't think they will think that.

But then, maybe they have decided to kick me out of the "group think" group and haven't told me yet!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Be careful....RichMSN and Snaqwells with think you're "backing yourself into a corner" if you do that....

If that's how you took it, you obviously don't understand what they were saying.

Never use ultimatums... "Not one more word, coach..." or "Next time is a T". There's no need to threaten, and the ultimatum puts you in the position of backing up your word when something happens that you MIGHT have let slide had you not dropped the threat.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

If that's how you took it, you obviously don't understand what they were saying.

Never use ultimatums... "Not one more word, coach..." or "Next time is a T". There's no need to threaten, and the ultimatum puts you in the position of backing up your word when something happens that you MIGHT have let slide had you not dropped the threat.

what is this.... some sort of political discussion where liberal and conservative commentators are ridiculously parsing words to extract an obfuscated meaning that belies the original intent of the message?....

what's the difference between: "Next time is a T" or "Next time I will take care of it myself"?

the answer: nothing.

btw, what you've described as an "ultimatum", is simply an official telling a coach/player that the behavior in question is unacceptable and then explaining the consequence that will occur if/when the behavior is repeated.

that is EXACTLY the same formula used in the rulebook (i.e. if you travel...the other team gets the ball....).

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

what is this.... some sort of political discussion where liberal and conservative commentators are ridiculously parsing words to extract an obfuscated meaning that belies the original intent of the message?....

what's the difference between: "Next time is a T" or "Next time I will take care of it myself"?

the answer: nothing.

btw, what you've described as an "ultimatum", is simply an official telling a coach/player that the behavior in question is unacceptable and then explaining the consequence that will occur if/when the behavior is repeated.

that is EXACTLY the same formula used in the rulebook (i.e. if you travel...the other team gets the ball....).

But a huge difference between those and, "Coach, you might want to speak to number 23. He is getting a bit too demonstrative."

The message is the same without saying that a T will be the next call.

*awaits the return of Costello's partner*

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

what is this.... some sort of political discussion where liberal and conservative commentators are ridiculously parsing words to extract an obfuscated meaning that belies the original intent of the message?....

what's the difference between: "Next time is a T" or "Next time I will take care of it myself"?

the answer: nothing.
btw, what you've described as an "ultimatum", is simply an official telling a coach/player that the behavior in question is unacceptable and then explaining the consequence that will occur if/when the behavior is repeated.

that is EXACTLY the same formula used in the rulebook (i.e. if you travel...the other team gets the ball....).

I'll take the blame for not being clear.

Frankly, you're right, there's no real difference between these two.

I don't recommend either, for the same reason I don't recommend telling coaches in the pregame meeting that you're going to be watching for hand checks, or that you'll try to talk the kids out of the lane.

You tell a coach "next time it's a T," and then the next time is something really miniature and you decide to ignore it, for whatever reason, then your credibility is gone. Alternatively, you end up ringing up a kid when he turns around wrong, or when he yells something to his coach.

Just ask him to deal with it, no need to even insinuate that next time you'll have anything; it should be implied. The coach gets it, and if he doesn't, he will when you ring Johnny up. I tend to simply tell the coach that there's a problem brewing and let them deal with it as they see fit.

As I said when I started down this path, this is just my recommendation. If threatening a T works for you, good. Some can successfully use a stop sign, due to regional and personality differences. I haven't been able to.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't recommend telling coaches in the pregame meeting that you're going to be watching for hand checks.

Do you not do this before, or after, you don't ask for speaking captains?

P.S. I worked with my best, by far, partner of the year last night. Great calls. Great game management. Great communication. The whole enchilada. He's one of our top officials, and he will work girls state tournament games starting next week. He was the referee, of course, and during his pregame meeting he asked for speaking captains, asked their numbers, and asked if they would be starting. If I had my hardest game of the season tomorrow, I would work with him again it in a heartbeat. Some veteran officials have some real quirky habits. Quirky habits don't mean that they're not great officials, they're just great, and quirky, officials.