What do you got?

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by Brad

I still maintain that my eyesight is better than the rest of y'all!!!

Ball Watcher!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Brad

I still maintain that my eyesight is better than the rest of y'all!!!

Or maybe you just let your brain trick your eyes into seeing what you want them to.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Fair enough. I still maintain the video in the OP was not that clear though. So this raises the question, why didn't the L do anything?

What could the L do? If he suspected the ball went in but his T and his C who had much better angles acted like it didn't and the one player in white acted like he didn't.

It looks like from the video, he gave his thoughts to the C and the T and the call was no good.

Anything else he could have done?

[fiasco]

Back and to the left.

Back....and to the left.

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[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

Anything else he could have done?

If the L was the R perhaps he could've checked in with the table crew.
If not, he could suggest that the R does so.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Toren

What could the L do? If he suspected the ball went in but his T and his C who had much better angles acted like it didn't and the one player in white acted like he didn't.

It looks like from the video, he gave his thoughts to the C and the T and the call was no good.

Anything else he could have done?

It looked to me like the L thought it went in the whole time, based on his body language —*he didn't move to run back up the other way (like you normally would on a steal) ... he waited, as if he was waiting for the other team to take the ball OOB for the throw-in after a made basket.

Whether or not he knew, of course, is another story.

There is a difference between coaches protesting calls and PROTESTING calls ... this one is the latter. You have to recognize these situations and realize that more than likely you have screwed up if the coach, fans, everyone are saying the ball went in. Dozens of people aren't going to lie about that. Go to the table, get some information (someone at the table saw the ball go in, I guarantee you), and fix the problem!

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

If the L was the R perhaps he could've checked in with the table crew.
If not, he could suggest that the R does so.

If the three officials don't know and they go to the table...the table is final decision correct?

So if the table says "no goal" then we don't have a goal.

[Loudwhistle2]

[QUOTE=Brad;823810]It looked to me like the L thought it went in the whole time, based on his body language —*he didn't move to run back up the other way (like you normally would on a steal) ... he waited, as if he was waiting for the other team to take the ball OOB for the throw-in after a made basket.

Brad,
If you were lead and you thought the basket was good. What would you do if the ball was not taken out properly?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Brad

You have to recognize these situations and realize that more than likely you have screwed up if the coach, fans, everyone are saying the ball went in. Dozens of people aren't going to lie about that. Go to the table, get some information (someone at the table saw the ball go in, I guarantee you), and fix the problem!

+1

Grandma always said, "everybody aint crazy."

Originally Posted by Toren

If the three officials don't know and they go to the table...the table is final decision correct?

So if the table says "no goal" then we don't have a goal.

The R is the final decision. Table says no, 3 officials say no... no basket.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

If the L was the R perhaps he could've checked in with the table crew.
If not, he could suggest that the R does so.

Too much reliance on titles (R, U1, U2), IMO. If the L wasn't sure, he should have stopped the game and checked with his partners, then the table.

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I believe the ball when in, those still shots are not at all conclusive. They're too grainy to tell whether the ball is in the basket or in front of it. I think the more telling evidence is how the ball changes path as it passes the rim and the net action....in a way that was consistent only with having gone in.

Get real. It is fine and dandy to say we should not NEED the still shots to determine that the ball went in, BUT to say the pictures are "too grainy" to be conclusive, is just silly.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

Get real. It is fine and dandy to say we should not NEED the still shots to determine that the ball went in, BUT to say the pictures are "too grainy" to be conclusive, is just silly.

The original stills that were posted are too inconclusive. Until Toren went and got Abby Sciuto to fix them, all we had was speculation but no real proof.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

+1

The R is the final decision. Table says no, 3 officials say no... no basket.

I thought that we only used the table as a last resort. And if we use the table and they have a definitely answer, we do not go against them.

So in this case, the three officials do not know. They go to the table and the table says "basket good" then they count it. They go to the table and the table says "basket no good" then they don't count it.

If you go to the table and they say "basket good", the three officials wouldn't discount it because the only reason to go to the table is when the three officials could not decide.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Toren

I thought that we only used the table as a last resort. And if we use the table and they have a definitely answer, we do not go against them.

Excluding local listings, by rule the R has the final say on whether or not to count the bucket.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the L wasn't sure, he should have stopped the game and checked with his partners, then the table.

That's what I would do.