Dallas-SA

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
WOW!

WHACK!

WHACK! SEE YA!

WHACK!

WHACK!

WHACK! SEE YA!

WHACK!

WHACK!

Busy first half!!

Looks like an AAU game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Looks like an AAU game.

Dan, that's the only reason I work'em!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Dan, that's the only reason I work'em!

We get to do our Billy Crystal impersonation!

[DrakeM]

Chuck,
I'm not ABSOLUTELY sure of the time line,
I do know however the "away from the play rule" was in existence BEFORE Shaq came into the league.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by DrakeM
Chuck,
I'm not ABSOLUTELY sure of the time line,
I do know however the "away from the play rule" was in existence BEFORE Shaq came into the league.

I can live with that. Thanks for the reply!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
We get to do our Billy Crystal impersonation!

Kareem: You can't throw me out! This is my farewell game!
Billy: Well, then let me be the first to say. . . FAREWELL!!

By the way, I didn't know that President Bartlett's Chief of Staff (Leo McGarrity) used to be a ref!!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
By the way, I didn't know that President Bartlett's Chief of Staff (Leo McGarrity) used to be a ref!!

His name was Jess Kersey when he was officiating!

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Joe
> but there was an execllent no-call

Sure, but how many 1000's of times has
Reggie Miller (and others) suckered officials
on ones like that? Again, can anyone think of
a single time an offensive player was called for
initiating contact when he broke into the defender's
vertical space when the defender was in the air?
I've never seen the call ever, at any level.

I've seen it a few times. I don't have any specifics but in one case (either NCAA or NBA, can't remember which), the shooter came around a high screen for a 3-point attempt. A defender came flying at the shooter but in a path that clearly was going to carry them past and to the side of the shooter. The shooter jumped sideways into the defender. The foul was correctly called on the offense. The official clearly felt that had the shooter was the reason for the contact and that the contact was entirely caused by the shooter's actions.

[BktBallRef]

Pretty good article about the officiating in Game 2.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/sto...MPLATE=DEFAULT

[Joe]

"A defender came flying at the shooter but in a path that clearly was going to carry them past and to the side of the shooter. The shooter jumped sideways into the defender. The foul was correctly called on the offense."

That's exactly what happened on the Van Exel call (except
it was called on the defense) and 100's (1000's?) of Reggie Miller plays (100% *I* remember also called on the D).

I guess my question is why does that call so rarely favor
the defense? Other player control fouls seem to be called
correctly on a reasonably consistent basis.

Originally posted by Camron Rust

I've seen it a few times. I don't have any specifics but in one case (either NCAA or NBA, can't remember which), the shooter came around a high screen for a 3-point attempt. A defender came flying at the shooter but in a path that clearly was going to carry them past and to the side of the shooter. The shooter jumped sideways into the defender. The foul was correctly called on the offense. The official clearly felt that had the shooter was the reason for the contact and that the contact was entirely caused by the shooter's actions.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Joe
"A defender came flying at the shooter but in a path that clearly was going to carry them past and to the side of the shooter. The shooter jumped sideways into the defender. The foul was correctly called on the offense."

That's exactly what happened on the Van Exel call (except
it was called on the defense) and 100's (1000's?) of Reggie Miller plays (100% *I* remember also called on the D).

I guess my question is why does that call so rarely favor
the defense? Other player control fouls seem to be called
correctly on a reasonably consistent basis.

The defender is entitled to the spot if he has obtained a legal guarded position. He is not necessarily entitled to it because he's headed in that direction. "A defender that came flying at the shooter..." has not obtained legal guarding position nor is he staying within a vertical plane.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

The defender is entitled to the spot if he has obtained a legal guarded position. He is not necessarily entitled to it because he's headed in that direction. "A defender that came flying at the shooter..." has not obtained legal guarding position nor is he staying within a vertical plane.

Agreed regarding LGP. However, a player may not move into the path of an airborne opponent after the opponent has jumped. If the shooter clearly goes out of his way to get into that path and it is entirely unrelated to taking the shot, I don't think LGP is the issue. The dribbler doesn't get to arbitrarily put their body in the opponents path just to draw a foul. Furthermore, the dribbler is held to the same requirments in setting a screen as anyone else. They must allow time and distance.

This is different that the defender jumping across the desired path of the shooter and making contact in which case the defense it going to get the foul.

[BktBallRef]

I don't disagree. However, there's nothing in the post that indicates who left the floor first. If I see a player running at me, there's nothing that prevents me from jumping into his path while in the act. In such cases, the cardinal rule of jump shooting is usually going to apply, "Protect the shooter."

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
...The dribbler doesn't get to arbitrarily put their body in the opponents path just to draw a foul. Furthermore, the dribbler is held to the same requirments in setting a screen as anyone else. They must allow time and distance.

...

Well, if the defender has his arms outstretched outside his vertical plain the dribbler can move into the contact & "draw" the foul. IMO this is similar to a shooter moviung into an airborn defender on a shot.

[BktBallRef]

Bob Delaney, Danny Crawford, and Bill Spooner will probably try to avoid trouble if they can, but don't expect these guys to lie down tonight. I think Danny Crawford is probably the best official in the league but make no mistake, he takes no $hit.

BTW, I thought Keeny Smith made a great comment. "There was nothing wrong with the officiating in Game 1 when Dallas shot 50 FTs." Great point, Kenny!