BYU/St. Mary's

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I don't think it's silly in the least to criticize a policy that is enforced in a discirminatory manner, as appears to be the case at BYU. And that's based on more than "some expose by ESPN."

Just because there were people 25 years ago that didn't get suspended, when different people were in charge, doesn't mean it is discriminatory. All it means is that the current leaders are enforcing it and the old ones didn't. Inconsistent over time, sure...but not discriminatory.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Just because there were people 25 years ago that didn't get suspended, when different people were in charge, doesn't mean it is discriminatory. All it means is that the current leaders are enforcing it and the old ones didn't. Inconsistent over time, sure...but not discriminatory.

For the record there were claims that were not 25 or 10 years old. Some of the situations were in the last few years.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For the record there were claims that were not 25 or 10 years old. Some of the situations were in the last few years.

Peace

Perhaps they were. And I seriously doubt they will ever comment on why one person was or was not suspended.

In the Davies case, he admitted to violating the policy and made that known in the press himself (or through an authorized representative). Perhaps with others, they've not and it has only been a suspicion with no proof. Claims of people not being suspended are only that...perhaps the authorities in charge didn't feel they had enough evidence to take action.

I can tell you for a fact that they enforce the code (which covers many issues). I have direct knowledge of someone sent home from school for violating the code (in a different way) and it was just a few months ago. But it didn't make the press.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps they were. And I seriously doubt they will ever comment on why one person was or was not suspended.

In the Davies case, he admitted to violating the policy and made that known in the press himself (or through an authorized representative). Perhaps with others, they've not and it has only been a suspicion with no proof. Claims of people not being suspended are only that...perhaps the authorities in charge didn't feel they had enough evidence to take action.

I can tell you for a fact that they enforce the code (which covers many issues). I have direct knowledge of someone sent home from school for violating the code (in a different way) and it was just a few months ago. But it didn't make the press.

He put them in quite a bind by going public with it; enforce the policy or be seen as catering to star athletes.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll admit the comparison was a stretch, but my point still stands. One university standing up for their principles vs another that did not. I personally disagree with the BYU policy, and if their enforcement has been demonstrably sketchy, that's a different issue altogether.

And comparing the recent enforcement to McMahon 30 years ago is also not applicable, IMO, as there's just no way you can hold current administrators responsible for infractions ignored by the people running it 30 years ago.

Fair enough on the point of a university/institution standing up for their principles. I just think it is extremely unfair to compare the criminal actions of Pierce to violation of a school honor code of Davies.

I think there is evidence that suggest the inconsistency of enforcement goes far beyond the Jim McMahon example.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Just because there were people 25 years ago that didn't get suspended, when different people were in charge, doesn't mean it is discriminatory. All it means is that the current leaders are enforcing it and the old ones didn't. Inconsistent over time, sure...but not discriminatory.

Again, there is evidence that goes beyond some things that may have happened "25 years ago." We are all entitle to our opinions. Based on what I have seen and heard, including info from people who attended BYU, I think they have selective enforcement of their policy. And as a private institution, they pretty much have the right to do so. But it doesn't mean that I can't/won't voice my opinion on it.

But I think this thread has gone about as far down that road as is appropriate for this forum. I will say though that I find it ironic and hypocritical that a school with such a high standard on personal conduct had fans throwing debris on the court at a basketball game multiple times with seemingly no disciplinary action or public statement from the administration. I stand corrected if the latter is not the case.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I will say though that I find it ironic and hypocritical that a school with such a high standard on personal conduct had fans throwing debris on the court at a basketball game multiple times with seemingly no disciplinary action or public statement from the administration. I stand corrected if the latter is not the case.

Common ground on this paragraph.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I will say though that I find it ironic and hypocritical that a school with such a high standard on personal conduct had fans throwing debris on the court at a basketball game multiple times with seemingly no disciplinary action or public statement from the administration. I stand corrected if the latter is not the case.

I hope they do something about that. But, they are not one to have an immediate response nor one to tell you who they disciplined. If they do something, they'll investigate and consider the situation carefully and make a well thought out statement when they have concluded their analysis. They very likely will take actions but keep them private....maybe with a general statement about the overall behavior.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I will say though that I find it ironic and hypocritical that a school with such a high standard on personal conduct had fans throwing debris on the court at a basketball game multiple times with seemingly no disciplinary action or public statement from the administration. I stand corrected if the latter is not the case.

Once again, how would you know if disciplinary action was or wasn't taken? So how can you then find it hypocritical?

Ironic, yes. Hypocritical? Who knows.