The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:56am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 656
Who makes the call?

Girls varsity -- 2 man.
Ball at A1 top of the key.
Lead is under basket left side, trail is opposite table side.
Ball swings to table side wing, then down to A2 for a spot up 3.

Ball goes in, trail signals 3, (and I don't know why but also verbals "3" to table).

Lead sees the score changed by 3 points and blows whistle as B team is dribbling in the backcourt. Changes trails call to a two. No discussion between officials.

CoachP alomost got his first T since 1999. Did I have a legit beef?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:17am
This IS My Social Life
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at L, T, or C
Posts: 2,379
Pass on This One

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachP View Post
Girls varsity -- 2 man.
Ball at A1 top of the key.
Lead is under basket left side, trail is opposite table side.
Ball swings to table side wing, then down to A2 for a spot up 3.

Ball goes in, trail signals 3, (and I don't know why but also verbals "3" to table).

Lead sees the score changed by 3 points and blows whistle as B team is dribbling in the backcourt. Changes trails call to a two. No discussion between officials.

CoachP alomost got his first T since 1999. Did I have a legit beef?
Better bitter battles to bite off. As described, this was lead's call. And if my trail in that instance came up with a signal and I knew it was incorrect, I'd overrule him, too. Followed by having speaks with him at halftime regarding why he's guessing at something like that.
__________________
Making Every Effort to Be in the Right Place at the Right Time, Looking at the Right Thing to Make the Right Call
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:02am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachP View Post
Girls varsity -- 2 man.
Ball at A1 top of the key.
Lead is under basket left side, trail is opposite table side.
Ball swings to table side wing, then down to A2 for a spot up 3.

Ball goes in, trail signals 3, (and I don't know why but also verbals "3" to table).

Lead sees the score changed by 3 points and blows whistle as B team is dribbling in the backcourt. Changes trails call to a two. No discussion between officials.

CoachP alomost got his first T since 1999. Did I have a legit beef?
In most (but not all) areas, a 2-to-a-3 or a 3-to-a-2 is changed without discussion.

If the shot was from below the FT line extended on L's side, it was L's call.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:24am
TODO: creative title here
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,250
Lead's call all the way. Good job by L to catch the error.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:37am
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,950
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachP View Post
Girls varsity -- 2 man.
Ball at A1 top of the key.
Lead is under basket left side, trail is opposite table side.
Ball swings to table side wing, then down to A2 for a spot up 3.

Ball goes in, trail signals 3, (and I don't know why but also verbals "3" to table).

Lead sees the score changed by 3 points and blows whistle as B team is dribbling in the backcourt. Changes trails call to a two. No discussion between officials.

CoachP alomost got his first T since 1999. Did I have a legit beef?
What would your beef have been? What would you have argued?
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:57am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 656
My beef was lead changed the call from behind left side lane and the three was from the right side corner. That was the side the trail was on, in front of home team bench. I saw a "3" from visitors bench and the trail saw "3". We had the best view.

Really? That is leads call in the far corner? Seems better look from where trail was...oh well.

Plus, we were 8-0 until that night and we were getting our you-know-what's handed to us...
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:25am
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,950
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachP View Post
My beef was lead changed the call from behind left side lane and the three was from the right side corner. That was the side the trail was on, in front of home team bench. I saw a "3" from visitors bench and the trail saw "3". We had the best view.

Really? That is leads call in the far corner? Seems better look from where trail was...oh well.

Plus, we were 8-0 until that night and we were getting our you-know-what's handed to us...
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachP View Post
Girls varsity -- 2 man.
Ball at A1 top of the key.
Lead is under basket left side, trail is opposite table side.
Ball swings to table side wing, then down to A2 for a spot up 3.

Ball goes in, trail signals 3, (and I don't know why but also verbals "3" to table).

Lead sees the score changed by 3 points and blows whistle as B team is dribbling in the backcourt. Changes trails call to a two. No discussion between officials.

CoachP alomost got his first T since 1999. Did I have a legit beef?
The bolded part is confusing me then. Was the trail "opposite the table"? That's how I read it.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:36am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 656
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
The bolded part is confusing me then. Was the trail "opposite the table"? That's how I read it.
Ah, there it is...!

Trail is tableside (right side). Lead is underbasket. (leftside)
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:44am
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachP View Post
Ah, there it is...!

Trail is tableside (right side). Lead is underbasket opposite. (leftside)
Less confusing this way.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 04:59pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,369
A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachP View Post
Really? That is leads call in the far corner? Seems better look from where trail was.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:04pm
This IS My Social Life
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at L, T, or C
Posts: 2,379
Better Than Three-Person?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac View Post
According to your illustration your state must be assigning four-person crews out there, eh? Or is that an IAABO thing?
__________________
Making Every Effort to Be in the Right Place at the Right Time, Looking at the Right Thing to Make the Right Call
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:13pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Maybe in a small corner?
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:23pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,369
And No Switching, Ever ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy View Post
According to your illustration your state must be assigning four-person crews out there.
This is the four person game that we only use with the old guys. No running. Just stay out of the way of the players when you're at one of the trail positions. It's not just in my little corner of Connecticut, it's statewide. We've got a lot of elderly officials in Connecticut. When we say, "Stay in your primary", we really mean it.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)

Last edited by BillyMac; Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:30pm.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:46am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 656
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac View Post
That picture is exactly my OP Billy!

So in my OP I did have a legit beef?

My girl nailed a 3 from the orange corner in front of the visitors bench, trail signalled "3", also, per my bookkeeper, he turned to them and announced "3" before going up the floor. Lead stopped play with ball in B's backcourt when he noticed the score and told them to change it to a "2".
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:19am
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachP View Post
That picture is exactly my OP Billy!

So in my OP I did have a legit beef?

My girl nailed a 3 from the orange corner in front of the visitors bench, trail signalled "3", also, per my bookkeeper, he turned to them and announced "3" before going up the floor. Lead stopped play with ball in B's backcourt when he noticed the score and told them to change it to a "2".
Beef?

The right to take your team's performance out on the officials? No.

The right to belittle them and start coaching them like kids? No.

The right to start acting like a Koach? No.

The right to complain. Sure.

Have you looked at the tape?
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NBA Ref Makes Foul Call in last 4.2? GoodwillRef Basketball 16 Fri Dec 17, 2010 05:09pm
rookie ref makes the right call Mark Padgett Basketball 2 Mon Dec 13, 2010 04:23pm
umpire makes the call rbrown Softball 4 Fri May 04, 2007 10:15am
Who makes the call? ljudge Football 7 Fri Oct 22, 2004 02:30pm
Who makes this call? WestMichiganBlue Softball 11 Tue Apr 29, 2003 01:47pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:18am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1