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BillyMac Sat Jan 21, 2012 07:53am
They're So Impressionable ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 815288)
We can call a three second violation during an interrupted dribble in the frontcourt. No player control there.
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 815296)
That wasn't the point of BNR's post.
Didn't want to confuse the rookies.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 21, 2012 08:58am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 815389)
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Now you guys have got me totally confused, which, by the way, really isn't much of an accomplishment.

I have always started my ten second count when an offensive player gets control of the ball in the backcourt. I did not start my count if a player simply touched the inbounds pass without gaining player control.

I did, however, continue my ten second count when an offensive player, in the backcourt, initially gained player control (see above paragraph) and then that player, or another offensive player, lost player control, but with his team still in team control.

What am I getting wrong here? Have I actually been doing this wrong for over thirty years?
What if the pass from the FC is tipped by B and goes to the BC? Is there PC in the BC? Should you start your count?

mbyron Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:13am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 815235)
I was being facetious.
Ah, I missed your invisible smilie. :p

BillyMac Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:33am
Anybody Got Any Aspirin ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 815400)
What if the pass from the FC is tipped by B and goes to the BC? Is there PC in the BC? Should you start your count?
OK. I'll play. Typical situation.

No. A player is not holding or dribbling a live ball, inbounds.

Yes. At some point player control and team control, was established, and even though player control has been lost, team control still exists. Same reason that I continue my ten second count, in the case of a "normal" backcourt throwin, after a teammate "controls" the inbounds pass, and then fumbles away the basketball.

This is starting to freak me out. Yeah. It's freaking me out, man. Now I'm really confused. I don't know if I'm coming, or going, anymore? I don't know it I'm right, or if I'm wrong. I think that I'm right, and that I know what I'm doing in this situation, but the caveat, "Always listen to bob", is freaking me out here.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:28pm
So, to summarize, BadNews Ref said:
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Player control in the backcourt is not required to begin a 10-second count in all situations.
You agree that you start a 10-second count in the most recent play, and that there's no "PC in the BC" when you do.

So, why the confusion?

BillyMac Sat Jan 21, 2012 01:09pm
Didn't Want To Confuse The Rookies ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 815434)
You agree that you start a 10-second count in the most recent play, and that there's no "PC in the BC" when you do. So, why the confusion?
OK. I think that I get it now. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

My earlier post was to clear up some possible confusion, among rookies, regarding when to start a ten second count in a normal backcourt throwin situation, i.e., don't start the count until player control has been established, don't start the count just because the ball has been touched by an offensive player inbounds.

In doing so, I confused myself. I hate it when that happens.

Raymond Sun Jan 22, 2012 09:18pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 815441)
OK. I think that I get it now. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

My earlier post was to clear up some possible confusion, among rookies, regarding when to start a ten second count in a normal backcourt throwin situation, i.e., don't start the count until player control has been established, don't start the count just because the ball has been touched by an offensive player inbounds.

In doing so, I confused myself. I hate it when that happens.
You are back on track. :) To my original point I was referring to situations subsequent a throw-in. There is continuous team control on a tipped throw-in however we will not start a 10-second count, have a backcourt violation, or have 3-seconds until PC has been established.


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