Duke/Clemson Flagrant 1

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Don't know what the initial signal was. Is there a preliminary signal for flagrant foul 1?

From my (limited) understanding of NCAA rules, the following section suggests to me that you can go to the monitor and determine that a Flagrant 1 did NOT occur, then you just go POI.



That reads to me like the officials could have determined from the monitor (and the information gathered from the player) that no flagrant 1 occurred, and just put the ball in to Duke on the endline. So what am I missing?



I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Are you saying you think Smith is lying? What reason would he have for lying?

Even so, no, I don't officiate my games based solely on what a player tells me, but if I think there might be a chance I kicked a call, and then I get information from a player or coach who would be benefiting from said kicked call, I'm certainly not going to just throw out that information.

Flagrant 1 (old Intentional Foul) is 2 hands crossed above the head. As I and another member has posted you cannot downgrade a foul once going to the monitor. So if it was already signaled as a Flagrant 1 then the only other option would have been a Flagrant 2. You cannot downgrade to a personal foul or no-call.

So unless you have information as to what was initially signalled this conversation is not going to help determine if what they did is right.

As for the player, I don't know if he is lying or not. Or whether he remembers exactly what he told the official. My point is that his quote to the reporter is of no bearing since you are clearly implying in our post that Karl Hess went to the monitor and ruled a Flagrant 1 despite what the player is quoted as saying. What were you trying to get at with the way you worded your post? I'm inferring from your post that you are criticizing Karl Hess' decision even though you have admitted you don't know the rule.