Lotsa T's for Some, Not Very Many for Others?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Sometimes Ts can make the game better and other times they're needed so the game doesn't hit the toilet.

Precisely, it makes the game better

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Sometimes Ts can make the game better and other times they're needed so the game doesn't hit the toilet.

Originally Posted by fullor30

Precisely, it makes the game better

Usually, but failure to make the game better does not mean it was a bad T, and just because the game gets better without a T does not mean it was best uncalled.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Usually, but I balk at the phrase because whether a T makes the game better really has no bearing on whether it was a good T.

Why was it 'good'? Good for you? A good T is a deserved t, not given out of spite, malice, etc. It's applied because coach, player has crossed the line and needs a 'time out' It's residual effect is to make the game 'better' and controllable.

IMHO a 'good' t will always make the game better. In my experience I've never whacked someone only to have game go South, on any level.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Usually, but failure to make the game better does not mean it was a bad T, and just because the game gets better without a T does not mean it was best uncalled.

Huh? You lost me.....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Why was it 'good'? Good for you? A good T is a deserved t, not given out of spite, malice, etc. It's applied because coach, player has crossed the line and needs a 'time out' It's residual effect is to make the game 'better' and controllable.

IMHO a 'good' t will always make the game better. In my experience I've never whacked someone only to have game go South, on any level.

I have. I called a technical only to have the coach completely lose it and draw a second one seconds later. That was about 15-16 years ago, my last basketball coach ejection.

But it doesn't mean I wish I hadn't called it. Once the coach left, it was better.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Why was it 'good'? Good for you? A good T is a deserved t, not given out of spite, malice, etc. It's applied because coach, player has crossed the line and needs a 'time out' It's residual effect is to make the game 'better' and controllable.

IMHO a 'good' t will always make the game better. In my experience I've never whacked someone only to have game go South, on any level.

I base the justice of a T on whether it was deserved, not its affect on the game. 99% of the time, it works as it should, I just don't think someone should question the T because the game continued to go south.

[biggravy]

I have called 12 in the last four years. No records before that but averaged about the same. All of them were no brainers, in my opinion. But I see a T as just a part of the game, another foul. Move on. In this same four years though, I've had a partner call just one. Collectively around here we allow far too much unsporting behavior to occur. This is stressed by our assignors and the state all the time. I feel the problem is the hang up on it being a big deal instead of just another foul.

[Adam]

I'm not in the "just like any other foul" camp. I'm not scared of them, and will probably call a couple more this season, but I don't think pretending they're not a big deal is particularly helpful. It's the one call that, by it's nature and rarity, draws attention to the official. It's often a rally killer, and it can change a game. Those things shouldn't affect how we call the T, but they should be acknowledged. IMHO, of course, and YMMV.

[Eastshire]

My count went to 2 last night as the varsity coach couldn't stop himself from giving his two cents during the JV game. I had called a violation for disconcerting the free thrower which caused both coaches to stand to confront me (I was trail in two man). I told the asst coach to sit, which he did, but he continued to harangue me as I was giving a quick explanation to the head coach.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I base the justice of a T on whether it was deserved, not its affect on the game. 99% of the time, it works as it should, I just don't think someone should question the T because the game continued to go south.

I think we are in agreement and parallel to each other. Possibly better worded from me would be the effect of a T almost always makes the game better.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I think we are in agreement and parallel to each other. Possibly better worded from me would be the effect of a T almost always makes the game better.

We usually are, and I was about to reword my statement the same way.

[gdudik]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Not sure. I was hoping the warnings would do it. I was also a little surprised that it was happening in an 8th grade game. I could tell my partner was reluctant, so I should have made sure that as a crew we were strong.

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to dump on you, btw. Just curious why you didnt, having been in the same place myself where I was reluctant to call a well deserved T

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

We usually are, and I was about to reword my statement the same way.

Awww, give me a hug big guy

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Awww, give me a hug big guy

Get on I-70 and head west. Meet me in Kansas City.