Technical Fouls

[La Rikardo]

New poster, first-year official. I'm 18 years old, a student in college, and decided to give HS basketball a try this winter after a couple years' experience in soccer. Been lurking here for a couple weeks, but now I actually have a situation worth posting about.

I've given three Ts in 14 HS games (all freshman and sophomore) this year. Two were simple Ts to coaches for ABS.

The third was a bit of a bigger deal. Happened Friday afternoon, boys sophomore. Red getting blown out, three or four minutes left in the game. I'm trail in two-man, Red #11 is defending a shot in the post right at the edge of the key. He has one arm vertical, but I see the other one give a little push on the shot. Foul. As I turn around to the table to report it, #11 comes jogging toward his bench because he's just been DQ'd for his fifth foul. As he's going by me, he gives me a little elbow in the side. Not enough to cause pain or anything, but hard enough that it was clear he was doing this to dissent the call. Easy T. My partner later told me that I needed to report the incident to the HS Activities Association, which I did as soon as I got home. On the drive home, though, it occurred to me that I shouldn't have just given a T, but a flagrant T. Relating that to soccer, the sport I know quite a bit better, I'm going to send a player off every time for striking me in any manner to dissent a call. Certainly should've done the same here.

[Adam]

Agreed, but if you include that to your state, they'll probably tell you the same thing and suspend him anyway. He was already out for the game, so it's not that big a deal.

BTW, had the coach been informed that it was the player's fifth foul?

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed, but if you include that to your state, they'll probably tell you the same thing and suspend him anyway. He was already out for the game, so it's not that big a deal.

BTW, had the coach been informed that it was the player's fifth foul?

I didn't realize it was his fifth until after the T. Our scorer was pretty top-notch, not just a 15-year-old kid like at most sophomore games, so I'm guessing he let the coach know.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

I didn't realize it was his fifth until after the T. Our scorer was pretty top-notch, not just a 15-year-old kid like at most sophomore games, so I'm guessing he let the coach know.

This is not a huge deal, but I think the point was that notifying the coach is part of your job, not the scorer's.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is not a huge deal, but I think the point was that notifying the coach is part of your job, not the scorer's.

That too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

I didn't realize it was his fifth until after the T. Our scorer was pretty top-notch, not just a 15-year-old kid like at most sophomore games, so I'm guessing he let the coach know.

Ok, otherwise, once you inform the coach of the fifth foul, then any Technicals on that player would be an indirect on the coach. No more coaching box (if your state uses it).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

I didn't realize it was his fifth until after the T. Our scorer was pretty top-notch, not just a 15-year-old kid like at most sophomore games, so I'm guessing he let the coach know.

Not good enough. You (or the other official) must, by rule, notify the coach in order to make the player bench personnel.

The order is notify the head coach, start the 20-second clock for replacement, notify the player. The first horn should be five seconds after you start the clock. I always instruct the timer to never give a second horn in this situation.

We had a technical last night on a player who wanted to give his version of events on every foul he picked up. We ignored the first one, really had our radar up on the second one, and my partner decided to talk to him on the third one, although he was really close to giving a technical to him and probably should've (he actually brought the whistle up and I could tell his hands started too, although it was pretty subtle -- then he thought better of it for some reason). Then after a long talk from my partner, the kid walked past me and said something else and I calmly whacked him. Easiest technical foul I've called, probably.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

On the drive home, though, it occurred to me that I shouldn't have just given a T, but a flagrant T. Relating that to soccer, the sport I know quite a bit better, I'm going to send a player off every time for striking me in any manner to dissent a call. Certainly should've done the same here.

As one who also does soccer and basketball, this is a fair comparison. The red card equivolent in basketball is the flagrant T. The yellow card is the T.

What constitutes a red/flagrant or yellow/technical has some variances from locale to locale. Get to know your locale.

Welcome to the board.

[TimTaylor]

It's been a rather productive season. In the last couple weeks I've had one against a head coach, an administrative for wrong number in the book, one on a throw in for reaching across the OOB boundary and slapping the ball out of the thrower's hands, one for a loudly delivered F-bomb and the latest tonight for a young lady with a bad attitude and a foul mouth. So I'm up to something like 11........last year I think I only assessed 3 or 4.

Last Friday we also tossed a varsity assistant, but I didn't assess either of the two T's so I'm not counting them in the total.....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

It's been a rather productive season. In the last couple weeks I've had one against a head coach, an administrative for wrong number in the book, one on a throw in for reaching across the OOB boundary and slapping the ball out of the thrower's hands, one for a loudly delivered F-bomb and the latest tonight for a young lady with a bad attitude and a foul mouth. So I'm up to something like 11........last year I think I only assessed 3 or 4.

Last Friday we also tossed a varsity assistant, but I didn't assess either of the two T's so I'm not counting them in the total.....

My personal total in the past week was 2. But as crews we had 2 on Tuesday, 3 on Saturday, and 3 last night.

[BillyMac]

Last night. Catholic middle school "little kids" game. Third period. H1 interferes with ball, bouncing it away, after a basket by H. Partner gives the delay of game warning to H. Few minutes later. H2 crosses the boundary on a throwin by V, after being warned several times. H2 says, "But I didn't touch him". I report the second delay of game warning, and the technical. Pretty boring "Tea Party". Ho. Hum.

[Duffman]

I've given 1 T (on a player for a two handed chuck after the whistle) in three years as a certified official, one year a full schedule (30+ games) of sub varsity games, and two on a regular crew with +- 20 varsity dates and another +-15 sub varsity dates.

Am I doing it wrong?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Duffman

I've given 1 T (on a player for a two handed chuck after the whistle) in three years as a certified official, one year a full schedule (30+ games) of sub varsity games, and two on a regular crew with +- 20 varsity dates and another +-15 sub varsity dates.

Am I doing it wrong?

Only you can tell us that. Are there any situations where you think back and think you should/could have assessed a 'T'?