Player Control Foul leads to FT's?

[stiffler3492]

I'm reading A Season On The Brink, about the 1985-86 Indiana Hoosiers.

During a recount of a game, the author mentioned that Steve Alford drew a charge, then hit the ensuing free throws.

So, was there a time when player and/or team control fouls led to free throws if the offended team was in the bonus?

[Scrapper1]

I didn't realize that it continued into the '80s, but yes. The rule used to be that a player was awarded one free throw for every foul. On the 7th foul of the half, a player would shoot one free throw and, if successful, would be awarded one more.

This applied to ALL personal fouls, including those committed by the player in control of the ball.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The rule used to be that a player was awarded one free throw for every foul. On the 7th foul of the half, a player would shoot one free throw and, if successful, would be awarded one more.

That explains why the rules about awarded free throws for common fouls are written the way they are.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I didn't realize that it continued into the '80s, but yes. The rule used to be that a player was awarded one free throw for every foul. On the 7th foul of the half, a player would shoot one free throw and, if successful, would be awarded one more.

This applied to ALL personal fouls, including those committed by the player in control of the ball.

That would not have been in the 80's, I don't think.

I'm wondering if by "charge" the author is referring to a situation where the ball handler passed the ball and then ran Alford over? Alford was sneaky that way...

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

That would not have been in the 80's, I don't think.

I'm wondering if by "charge" the author is referring to a situation where the ball handler passed the ball and then ran Alford over? Alford was sneaky that way...

That would still be a team control foul, and one on which we wouldn't shoot free throws today.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

That would still be a team control foul, and one on which we wouldn't shoot free throws today.

Correct, but they definitely would have shot FTs for that in the 80's.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

That would not have been in the 80's, I don't think.

I'm wondering if by "charge" the author is referring to a situation where the ball handler passed the ball and then ran Alford over? Alford was sneaky that way...

Maybe it was an airborne shooter after he released the shot.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maybe it was an airborne shooter after he released the shot.

Ahhhhh...that rule changed in the mid 90's I believe, so you may be on to something here!

[Camron Rust]

I think PC fouls stopped resulting in FTs sometime in the mid/late 90's.

[gdudik]

NCAA rules allow for shooting on a team control foul if the fouled team is in the bonus, I believe, but fed rules don't allow for any shooting after a team control foul.

[APG]

Originally Posted by gdudik

NCAA rules allow for shooting on a team control foul if the fouled team is in the bonus, I believe, but fed rules don't allow for any shooting after a team control foul.

Nope, team control foul means no shots, period. At both levels.

[gdudik]

I'm sorry for providing bad info. I could have sworn NCAA did shoot on offensive fouls, or used to, in any case, but I guess I'm wrong. Shows how much attention I pay to college rules.

[APG]

Originally Posted by gdudik

I'm sorry for providing bad info. I could have sworn NCAA did shoot on offensive fouls, or used to, in any case, but I guess I'm wrong. Shows how much attention I pay to college rules.

Under NCAA-M, free throws are awarded if the defense is in the bonus, and an airborne shooter charges into a defender after the ball is released and before he's returned to the floor. In all the other rule sets, you would still have a player control foul or an offensive foul with no points scored (as in the case of the NBA).

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Under NCAA-M, free throws are awarded if the defense is in the bonus, and an airborne shooter charges into a defender after the ball is released and before he's returned to the floor. In all the other rule sets, you would still have a player control foul or an offensive foul with no points scored (as in the case of the NBA).

This exact play happened in the Indiana/Minnesota game tonight.

[gdudik]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Under NCAA-M, free throws are awarded if the defense is in the bonus, and an airborne shooter charges into a defender after the ball is released and before he's returned to the floor. In all the other rule sets, you would still have a player control foul or an offensive foul with no points scored (as in the case of the NBA).

Thank you. That's where I was getting confused. I was thinking to myself, "I *know* I've seen them all trooping down to the other end of the floor to shoot FTs; what am I missing?"