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stiffler3492 Thu Jan 12, 2012 01:59pm

Player Control Foul leads to FT's?
 
I'm reading A Season On The Brink, about the 1985-86 Indiana Hoosiers.

During a recount of a game, the author mentioned that Steve Alford drew a charge, then hit the ensuing free throws.

So, was there a time when player and/or team control fouls led to free throws if the offended team was in the bonus?

Scrapper1 Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:04pm

I didn't realize that it continued into the '80s, but yes. The rule used to be that a player was awarded one free throw for every foul. On the 7th foul of the half, a player would shoot one free throw and, if successful, would be awarded one more.

This applied to ALL personal fouls, including those committed by the player in control of the ball.

Welpe Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:11pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 812708)
The rule used to be that a player was awarded one free throw for every foul. On the 7th foul of the half, a player would shoot one free throw and, if successful, would be awarded one more.

That explains why the rules about awarded free throws for common fouls are written the way they are.

rockyroad Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:41pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 812708)
I didn't realize that it continued into the '80s, but yes. The rule used to be that a player was awarded one free throw for every foul. On the 7th foul of the half, a player would shoot one free throw and, if successful, would be awarded one more.

This applied to ALL personal fouls, including those committed by the player in control of the ball.

That would not have been in the 80's, I don't think.

I'm wondering if by "charge" the author is referring to a situation where the ball handler passed the ball and then ran Alford over? Alford was sneaky that way...

stiffler3492 Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 812749)
That would not have been in the 80's, I don't think.

I'm wondering if by "charge" the author is referring to a situation where the ball handler passed the ball and then ran Alford over? Alford was sneaky that way...

That would still be a team control foul, and one on which we wouldn't shoot free throws today.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 812751)
That would still be a team control foul, and one on which we wouldn't shoot free throws today.

Correct, but they definitely would have shot FTs for that in the 80's.

Raymond Thu Jan 12, 2012 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 812749)
That would not have been in the 80's, I don't think.

I'm wondering if by "charge" the author is referring to a situation where the ball handler passed the ball and then ran Alford over? Alford was sneaky that way...

Maybe it was an airborne shooter after he released the shot.

rockyroad Thu Jan 12, 2012 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 812758)
Maybe it was an airborne shooter after he released the shot.

Ahhhhh...that rule changed in the mid 90's I believe, so you may be on to something here!

Camron Rust Thu Jan 12, 2012 04:27pm

I think PC fouls stopped resulting in FTs sometime in the mid/late 90's.

gdudik Thu Jan 12, 2012 06:02pm

NCAA rules allow for shooting on a team control foul if the fouled team is in the bonus, I believe, but fed rules don't allow for any shooting after a team control foul.

APG Thu Jan 12, 2012 06:05pm

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Originally Posted by gdudik (Post 812869)
NCAA rules allow for shooting on a team control foul if the fouled team is in the bonus, I believe, but fed rules don't allow for any shooting after a team control foul.

Nope, team control foul means no shots, period. At both levels.

gdudik Thu Jan 12, 2012 09:41pm

I'm sorry for providing bad info. I could have sworn NCAA did shoot on offensive fouls, or used to, in any case, but I guess I'm wrong. Shows how much attention I pay to college rules.

APG Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:03pm

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Originally Posted by gdudik (Post 812899)
I'm sorry for providing bad info. I could have sworn NCAA did shoot on offensive fouls, or used to, in any case, but I guess I'm wrong. Shows how much attention I pay to college rules.

Under NCAA-M, free throws are awarded if the defense is in the bonus, and an airborne shooter charges into a defender after the ball is released and before he's returned to the floor. In all the other rule sets, you would still have a player control foul or an offensive foul with no points scored (as in the case of the NBA).

stiffler3492 Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 812903)
Under NCAA-M, free throws are awarded if the defense is in the bonus, and an airborne shooter charges into a defender after the ball is released and before he's returned to the floor. In all the other rule sets, you would still have a player control foul or an offensive foul with no points scored (as in the case of the NBA).

This exact play happened in the Indiana/Minnesota game tonight.

gdudik Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:26pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 812903)
Under NCAA-M, free throws are awarded if the defense is in the bonus, and an airborne shooter charges into a defender after the ball is released and before he's returned to the floor. In all the other rule sets, you would still have a player control foul or an offensive foul with no points scored (as in the case of the NBA).

Thank you. That's where I was getting confused. I was thinking to myself, "I *know* I've seen them all trooping down to the other end of the floor to shoot FTs; what am I missing?"


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