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Sco53 Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:29pm
I see more hands up showing " I didn't foul" than ones showing they did

Jesse James Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCRC (Post 812616)
I can guarantee that failing to raise your hand on a PF was a technical in the 1993-1994 season in IA. One of my best friends got Td up in a JV game for that offense. He thought the foul was on someone else and was listening to our coach give instructions and not paying attention to the official asking him twice to raise his hand. No third request came...whack!
Probably Iowa's rule. Would not have been a NFHS rule in '94.

Rich Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:33pm
We had a kid raise his hand on Tuesday night to try to draw a fifth foul away from a teammate. Didn't work.

Adam Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 812665)
Probably Iowa's rule. Would not have been a NFHS rule in '94.
No it wasn't. It was a phantom rule, only enforced by relic officials who never bothered to read about rule changes.

mbyron Thu Jan 12, 2012 01:21pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 812667)
We had a kid raise his hand on Tuesday night to try to draw a fifth foul away from a teammate. Didn't work.
Did you T him up for lying to you?
:D

bob jenkins Thu Jan 12, 2012 01:28pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 812685)
Did you T him up for lying to you?
:D
"Call it on me" is an order. ;)

Maineac Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:03pm
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812654)
Really? Seldom does anyone raise their hand that I've seen around here, let alone the wrong player.

Just the same, would any decent scorekeeper pay attention to a raised arm instead of the reporting official?
Yep, really. Believe it or not, some coaches actually encourage the behavior on the off chance it might possibly get a foul pulled away from one of their better players. Scandalous.

Didn't say it happened often; just that it has happened before.

bainsey Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:22pm
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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 812706)
Yep, really. Believe it or not, some coaches actually encourage the behavior on the off chance it might possibly get a foul pulled away from one of their better players. Scandalous.
:D

Beliveable, for sure. Still, I question its effectiveness. How many scorekeepers look for the raised hand, as opposed to the official's report?

Adam Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:28pm
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812730)
:D

Beliveable, for sure. Still, I question its effectiveness. How many scorekeepers look for the raised hand, as opposed to the official's report?
I'm pretty sure jar addressed this, but just in case you didn't read it:

It's not meant to confuse the scorer. It's meant to "convince" the officials.

just another ref Thu Jan 12, 2012 02:40pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 812735)
I'm pretty sure jar addressed this, but just in case you didn't read it:

It's not meant to confuse the scorer. It's meant to "convince" the officials.
I'll be honest here. Sometimes I appreciate the help. Two defenders in the face of the shooter. One gets a piece of the arm. Sometimes you just can't be certain which one it was. Do we have a volunteer? OK, thank you, young man.

jTheUmp Thu Jan 12, 2012 03:11pm
I've had scorekeepers who start recording the foul (making the assumption that they know who I'm calling it on) before I get over to the reporting area... even without the whole "raised hand" thing. And yes, at one point it caused a problem when the scorekeeper had a star player's 5th foul when the team's coach thought it was his player's 4th. (Home team, in this case, so I told the coach we had to go by what the official book said and that if he had a problem with it, he should make sure the scorekeeper pays attention). Luckily, it was a 7th grade game with about 20 seconds left, so no major harm done.

As a consequence, I now tell the scorekeeper at every game that I will make eye contact with them and that they should not record anything until AFTER I make my report.

bainsey Thu Jan 12, 2012 03:16pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 812735)
It's not meant to confuse the scorer. It's meant to "convince" the officials.
He did. I missed it.

That doesn't seem much more effective, either. Once I have the foul, I'm pretty much locked on, even if I have to take a second or two to get the number.

Adam Thu Jan 12, 2012 03:28pm
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812765)
He did. I missed it.

That doesn't seem much more effective, either. Once I have the foul, I'm pretty much locked on, even if I have to take a second or two to get the number.
Its effectiveness isn't the issue; the intent is. I did it when I played. And as jar notes, if I've got two players who have committed a foul on the same shooter, I might just go with the volunteer if there's no other reason to choose the other one.

BillyMac Thu Jan 12, 2012 05:52pm
The Foul Is On ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 812760)
I've had scorekeepers who start recording the foul before I get over to the reporting area.
We had a game announcer announce the foul before I got over to the reporting area. That didn't last too long.

APG Thu Jan 12, 2012 05:56pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 812860)
We had a game announcer announce the foul before I got over to the reporting area. That didn't last too long.
I believe there's a story about Joe Crawford doing the same thing with a PA announcer many moons ago...I want to say it was the Bulls PA announcer.


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