Uncalled Cheap Shots
 

Boy, saw this yesterday...Thoughts or comments? Maybe this is what happens when they fire CHSEagle?!?!?

Flagrant foul no-calls Highland @ Connell 12/22/11 - YouTube

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#34 is a thug. Foul #5 was brutal.

Refs gotta take care of business here.

Where's the coach in all this?

Plays two and six, I have nothing in of themselves. The other plays, at minimum would be an intentional foul in my book in of themselves (with the fifth play being a straight flagrant by itself) but since we have number 34 for white not seemingly attempting to play any legit defense, he would have been tossed well before we got to those other plays.

Frightening. Best thing I ever picked up at a camp was from a D1 official who said identify a troublemaker and get him out of there. 34 certainly is a troublemaker

Agreed.

I'm amazed that the officials did not take care of #34, if not the first time then absolutely by the second time he committed a non-basketball act. After play #5 you see one of the officials talking to him and then kind of smiling and patting him on the back. WAY too little WAY too late!

Equally amazed that red did not retaliate. When I played in HS, there is no way we would have let opponents take cheap shots like that. I credit them for their restraint but 9 times out of 10 a fight breaks out in a situation like this. And after the 2nd time I wouldn't have faulted any kid on red for standing up for himself and his team. As the opposing coach I probably would have been ejected for walking down to the other sideline and handling business myself.

And the coach of the white team should be ashamed of himself. No way those two should have been allowed to play like that. It makes me assume that they were coached to play that way to intimidate opponents.

That's not basketball. It's two oversized teenagers being punks/bullies on the court.

Dangerous situation and the adults involved failed the red team miserably. Extremely fortunate that nobody was hurt and that an all out brawl didnt occur.

Thanks for the information I'm sending a copy of the video to the AD.

Wow- Is this really Chseagle's school?

On any given night you can find ten that want to play (right). I only saw one that was flagrant, several were intentional and I would have systematically (5 fouls) far before things got out of hand.

Yes that was really Connell High, I've never seen them get that physical.

#34 was one of our primary defensive players for football, & watching that video he still thinks it's football.

Of course, not everything is being shown, perhaps some Highland players were playing the same way.

I only saw one flagrant foul as well and a couple that would have been intentional at best. The last play would have been nothing more than just a foul. Now that being said, you have to have game awareness. This kid is really not trying to play basketball. I would look to call any little contact with him a foul and get him out of the game if I did not get him for a flagrant earlier. The officials acted totally oblivious to what was going on in this game. I am amazed by their total lack of awareness.

Peace

This is common in my association and I'm not sure our group of officials are alone in this. Game awareness is so important from the time we take the court until we leave the court.

The bottom line.
 

+1.

On first viewing, I had #2 and #6 as common fouls, #5 as flagrant, and the rest intentional.

I would've been looking quite closely at 34 and 42 and they wouldn't have played a lot of minutes -- either after getting ejected or picking up a few quick fouls.

No real urgency with the officials -- on hard fouls like that you'd expect at least 2 of the officials to close distance quickly to make sure things don't escalate. But here, nothing.

I'm sorry, but if they are in chronological order and after I saw #1, #3 becomes flagrant and #34 is gone.

Oblivious? After #5, the one everyone agrees is the only flagrant foul, the C comes in for a chat with #34. Looked like a pleasant conversation with possibly a little pat on the fanny.

I remember this past summer when I was at a camp and we had a few fights as I was watching the games during one day. The thing I kept preaching was these things do not just happen. There usually are multiple signs and you must notice them or fights will happen. I think many are so concerned with other things like getting the number and calling the foul, they are not worried about what other actions they see.

Peace

This is an awful display of officiating. Absolutely, completely disgraceful.

A Constructive Take-Away from This Post
 

For anyone who might have missed it, a poster gave a terrifically helpful link to the Georgia State Association's 2011 training video on the topic of "Fighting". Included is the advice mentioned above that things like this don't just happen all of a sudden, that there are identifiable precursors we should be alert for to keep stuff like this from happening.
This is a great resource for any association meeting.
Link: http://http://www.ghsa.net/basketball. Scroll down to 2011 Training Video.

In a couple of clips, you'll see the AD in the corner (purple with white stripes polo). He just stands there & does nothing even when the Highland fans start spouting off unsporting comments towards #34 & the officials.

What the video shows is not the standard of play for Connell High.

Hopefully I'll have the opportunity to speak with both the Principal & AD about the video & the potential threats made in the comments on Wednesday.

The AD has no role to do anything, at least not say anything to the players or the officials. That is not the ADs job to say during the game.

Peace

Don't know about the principal, but the AD was there. What do you intend to tell him?

Just show him the video. It speaks for itself.

The principal was there as well, it's a high rarity to not have both present.

I sent both an e-mail with a link to the video mentioning that there have been threats made against the players & coaches.

All I can do is ask their thoughts and make some observations of what I saw.

After watching the video 5 times, I am thinking that there had to be some physical play from Highland as well.

It's just that there was biased opinion since the person who made the video was from Highland and Highland has been known in the past to play a physical game.

The AD can however remove unruly fans for unsportsmanlike conduct. He can also make the request to the Boys' coach that the player be removed from the game or face some sort of penalty.

I'm with the majority here. 1 play (#5) was possibly flagrant. 2-3 others intentional, and 1-2 simply "hard" fouls.
#34 needs to learn the game before he kills someone.

The GHSA video linked on post #18 is very good!

Foul #1 - INT.
Foul #2 - common foul.
Foul #3 - INT.
Foul #4 - 34 red for block, 42 white for T. False double. 34 red didn't give time and distance to a player without the ball.
Foul #5 - Flagrant DQ.
Foul #6 - common foul.


Edit: I've seen guys like 34 white time enough. I identify them on foul #1 and try to use my voice early with guys like that.

More or less the way I saw it....2, maybe 3, are just common fouls. Hard, yes, but not meeting the definition of intentional. A couple are intentional. One, maybe two could/would be flagrant.

They're certainly not all flagrant as the video suggests.

I don't believe 34 has any interest in learning the game. I believe he is there at the coach's direction to do exactly what we see in the video. No legitimate coach would keep this goon in a game for more than a minute or two. I can't imagine why a coach would even put him on the floor except to intimidate the other team. Its obvious he has zero basketball skills. A truly disgusting display by the player, his coach, and the oblivious officials working the game. One can only hope somebody at the state office address this nonsense immediately.

Disagree.

The AD is the director of athletics at the school. He oversees all of the goings on involving athletics at the school. It's a home game. He absolutely has the power to step out on the court and yank those pieces of garbage off the floor, send them to the locker room and tell them they won't play another game in a CHS uniform.

But, he didn't.

Potential flop??
 

On foul #6, it also looks as if Red 34 feigns getting hit hard to cause the game clock to get stopped. White 34 did graze Red 34, but not hard enough to be knocked down with the force that supposedly happened.

Couldn't an Intentional be called against Red 34 then?

No.

And holy crap, he's not feigning anything. You can't fake that sort of physical reaction while in the air.

White 34 is a Senior this year. He has little basketball skills, yes I do admit it, so his primary duties is to be a defensive wall. White 42 is also a Senior that has some basketball skills but not really enough to be a truly good player.

From the film, there is malicious intent in every one of them. Individually, a couple of them may be regular fouls. In the context, they are all intentional, IMO, with one flagrant. Not one of them is a basketball play.

The school should be ashamed. So should the officials, but the film indicates they think everything was fine from their perspective. I wonder if the supervisor will pull games. Clearly, these guys cannot work at the high school level without strong supervision.

OK, I just have to ask. What sort of penalty are you thinking the AD can impose upon the coach of another school? Can he turn off the hot water in the vistors' showers?

Wow. I'm going to have to watch the video, but there may not be an actual supervisor.

Not against the visiting school, I was meaning can impose some penalty against the home coach/player for allowing such activities to happen.

Unfortunately I was not there that night, so I have no idea how the home coach responded to the calls/action.

I do know that is not the normal play for the team, White 34 should have been sitting after the first incident by the coach.

He can make any request off the court he likes. He cannot do that in the middle of the game or in a way that disrupts the game.

Peace

He can certainly DIRECT his coach to address 34's play immediately.

"In context?" WTH does that mean? You can't make the first call in context. They're two different players, and you can't punish #42's hard foul based on #34's previous fouls.

Assuming these were all in order, #34 would have been gone (flagrant) after his third foul. The first one was borderline intentional (not flagrant at all, by itself) and I may not have gone with an intentional that quickly. But his second one would be inentional and I would have easily gone flagrant by his third. It's possible I would have gone flagrant on his second one, he's going right through the opponent and not really even paying attention.

#42's two-hand shove with full extension is easily an intentional, but his first foul is just a hard foul.

Now there's something within his purview.

You want an administrator (who it is possible you do not know is an administrator) coming onto the court and escalate the situation by pulling someone off the court? Good luck with that.

They can have any conversation off the court they want. They have a job to do to run the oversee, but during the game they do not have to right or the authority to get involved during the contest. If the AD does such a thing, there might be others that feel they are responsible for those kinds of things and get involved. When we are hired to work the game, there are protocols and this would be inappropriate for them to go onto the court for something they do not control.

Peace

He can do a lot of things, but that does not make it appropriate. And that certainly does not have anything to do with what we are seeing on this video.

This is also HS, not college or the pros. An AD might not even be the person that hires the coach or makes the decision. So to suggest that an AD can direct what a coach does is not always true. Many schools the AD makes sure of other things with their athletic program, but they are not always or in many cases the boss of the coach. And again, that has nothing to do with what is happening on this video.

Peace

Now that I know he's talking about the home coach, the AD can certainly say something to the coach. He is his boss, after all (unless it's one of those schools where the boys basketball coach has more pull than the AD).

+1

That's my impression of what an AD is hired to do. And that has EVERYTHING to do with what we see in this video...an out of control player representing a school with the implied consent of a coach.

There are a lot of schools where the board makes coaching decisions and the AD at a HS is not always the boss. That is semantics certainly to this conversation. Then if the AD can do this, why not the Superintendent? Why about the Principal? You guys really want some person coming onto the court addressing issues with a coach during the game? What if they do not like how a kid is shooting or turning over the ball? Is that appropriate for that situation too?

Once again what conversations they have off the court is their business. But during the game unless it happens by the bench and does not disrupt the game, that is going to be a problem. Just like it would be a problem if some fan approached the benches or someone came out of the stands and approached the bench (which happened somewhere in my state and was addressed by the IHSA). What they talk about in the locker room or in an office is not my concern. But if you are coming from the floor addressing an issue in the game I have a problem with that. And we have no idea what was said anyway, we are watching clips that someone produced at different times in the game, it is impossible to know what was or was not said at any time. We cannot take some poster's assumption of what was taking place in this entire game.

Peace

Assuming these fouls are in chronological order in the video (and man, what a rough first half, if so), here's what I have...

Foul #1: Hard, but common. #34 White is certainly on my radar now.
Foul #2: Common. #42 white had no chance to get the ball, but at least he went for it.
Foul #3: The only reason I'm not going with intentional here is #34 was completely fooled and tried to block a shot that wasn't there. (This is not a skilled player.) I certainly won't argue if my partner went INT, though.
Foul #4: Intentional, #42 white. Juggling makes a good case for a blocking foul the other way, but when I see outstretched arms, I have a benefit of the doubt for red.
Foul #5: Flagrant. Had this been a first hard foul for anyone, I'd have intentional, but #34 would have earned a DQ for that one.
Foul #6: Common.

went to a basketball game and a wrestling match broke out
 

Foul 2- couldn't help but notice the banner on the wall. "Wrestling Champs". No doubt.

That's part if the problem of the video, the whole picture is not known.

I was not suggesting the AD come out on the floor & pull the player off. The AD is hardly ever in the stands, he's normally either behind the scorers' table or just inside the gym near the doors.

There is enough room behind the benches where he could have approached the coach and quickly discussed the situation or at halftime, pulled the coach off to the side real quick before the coach talked to the team.

White 34...
 

...is the near equivalent of a hockey goon. In context, foul #1 might get just treated as a hard foul, but once he commits a similar action (as he did in #3, and definitely #5), he's gone. In scenario #2, I don't understand how no push is called on White 34 (even though Red 20 got the rebound), or even a double foul on Red 20 and White 42. That was an opportunity to send a message, and the official let the rough play continue.

For me, White 34 was a big problem, and not adequately addressing his misbehavior was a mistake. Also, none of these officials looked like they were physically or attitunidally up to this type of game. White 34 stands with a smirk on his face after nearly decapitating an opponent, and you have a friendly chat with him? That's disgraceful.

If you're not willing to handle business, you shouldn't be involved in this type work.

And what if they have a confrontation? What is your suggestion then? How do you want the officials to handle that then?

Again, time and a place for everything. The officials have a job to do to. It would be inappropriate for them to be approached by an supervisor or evaluator as well during the game.

Peace

I agree with you, with one exception. Watch play #2 from the beginning. Given what transpired in play #1, I'm paying a little extra attention to 34 white. I get him for the forearm shove before the grab by 42 white.

AD vs Coach confrontation? What is there to handle?

I offered the suggestion that at halftime the AD talk to the coach off the court near the locker rooms (offer suggestions/ideas).

Address, after the game, the situation as a whole to end the overly physical play by the player.

The officials aren't the ultimate authority at the school, even while the game is being played. Officials are hired to administer the game itself. The AD, in most cases, is responsible for the overall athletic contest. The ins and outs, the goings on. This includes fans, the band, concessions, tickets, etc etc etc.

So, in most cases, with the exception of situations you talked about earlier (having an athletics board, for example), the AD could walk out onto the court, call the contest over and tell everyone to go home if he really wanted to, and the officials really couldn't do a darn thing about it.

We work for the school, not the other way around, and the AD is who has authority over the athletic contest as a whole in almost all situations.

With regard to perspective, this should be said at some point. For the commenter on the video to suggest that all 6 of the fouls in question are flagrant is laughable. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt with regard to proper terms, if he thinks all these fouls are in the same category, it's almost as bad.

Personally, I think 5 is the only one which could possibly be considered flagrant.

Now you have a person that was not bench personnel at the bench. The reason I even mentioned this is because this actually took place in my state. There was a person to was once a coach approached a bench. This was addressed as not be appropriate because someone that is not a coach cannot get involved in coaching or giving information if they were not originally sitting on the bench. I also mention this because I was at a school recently where it was not clear that a person that said something to me was an AD (they were upset about a T we gave). This was addressed with my state as not something that should be done by anyone not associated with the team and because it has many aspects this action could cause (coaches sharing information for example away from the bench). So here I do not want anyone that is not associated with the team that is normally sitting on the benches during the game. Of course what they say in their locker room or in the ADs office is their business.

Peace

The person who posted the video (as well as a couple of other featuring HHS on YouTube) has limited knowledge of the rules.

Looking at those other videos, I have a strong belief that Red 24 & Red 34 had a hand in White 34 playing physically, as they both play as if the rule is "no blood, no foul".

So the finger should not be pointed only at one team.

I have some inside information here...my son's college roommate is a Conneel grad and emailed us the link to this video yesterday along with some other info.

1)The poster of the video is a high school student at the "red" school and the two schools are fairly bitter rivals.

2)The two white players who are instigating most of the conflict in the video were both on the football team of the home school and apparently there was some sort of altercation between the two schools during the football season earlier this year.

So...what difference does any of this make? First - we can stop complaining about the person not knowing basketball rules - they don't. End of story. Second - the players are both goons and 34 at least should have been tossed. Why they weren't??? Who knows...maybe rookiedude can offer some insight as I believe the officials would be from his association.

Actually this is not always true and certainly not the case in all situations I have worked games in two states for sure. And various schools give ADs different responsibilities and they are not always in charge of the band or concessions as you stated. I remember an AD told my football crew he had no say over the concession stand and the Booster Club ran and controlled all the proceeds or what is sold.

I said nothing about an athletic board, I said the school board. In many cases the school board is the one that makes a decision about their coaches and who is hired and who is fired. The AD might can make some recommendations, but not all school districts here give ADs that much power. I know they do not have say over how we are paid and they have no say over many extra-curricular events. I am sure this is going to vary across the country as well as how different we are all assigned and who can or cannot hire the officials.

And not every case is we work at a school. I just got through finishing working a tournament over several days that was not run by any school. It was run by an organization and the organization made all the decisions about many things as to who had access to the courts and what standards must be followed. And in most cases I am personally hired by an official's conference supervisor who sends me to a school in the conference they are hired to assign the official. The schools has to follow rules of a larger body (IHSA) or be subjected to their rules and regulation, which as an official I must follow by having a license with them or suffer similar consequences or have to answer to them for not following rules. And if an AD steps out of their role they can be written up for their actions and they will have to deal with IHSA and possibly be disciplined. So there is a protocol at least where I am from and if those standards are not followed. And if a AD came out of the stands I would not hesitate to address that issue with the IHSA and let them deal with it, like I did a few weeks ago with the actions of an AD and Principal that I found to be inappropriate (not specifically related to this kind of situation of course). The schools are not all powerful, they are members of a larger organization and agree to follow by-laws of that organization. And all parties are subjected to following those rules or they can be suspended as a school or on a lesser level be subjected to penalties and suspensions individually.

Peace

Only half right, as they are not actually rivals in the true sense of the word. I can think of a couple of other schools that are bitter rivals that require more presence.

Again the video poster is being biased, so the whole story is not known except for by those that were there. Looking at other videos posted by this "student" the 2 red players being targeted play very physical games.

The gray haired ref looks like the same one who threw Rich under the bus. He must get around!

What is the true sense of the word?

Honestly, while I can see what you're saying here, I'm getting the elephant on this play (the two handed shove in the back) rather than the ant on the play (a blocking foul).

There's a possibility of sanctions now thanks to the "student" showing only one side of the story.

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Unfortunately, as I've already said, only things seen via the video are the actions of one player on one team, what about the actions of the other team?

For every action, there is an opposite, but equal reaction.

Do you have any other clips from the game in question? If we could see some of these actions you attribute to red, it could give a better context to the game (besides what we've been provided thus far).

I'll also say that even independent of what you may provide, the plays alone do not alter my opinion of the plays in question.

No one suggested it happen on the court. The AD (or any administrator) could easily get behind the bench.

#3 is intentional based on severe contact alone, and with his earlier foul I'd consider flagrant here. No way it's common, he didn't get fooled, he just swatted towards a player and damn near took his head off.

I wish I did have more game clips. It would have been nice if the "student" would have provided action on both sides of the court instead of just his/her team's.

I am making observations based on a couple of other videos the person posted that happened right before this game. In those games, from what was shown, Red 34 & 24 are playing very physically.

Basically I'm in the same boat of everyone by just going off of what a biased opinion provides, except for those 2 additional videos.

If they issue sanctions without seeing the entire game film, your state has other issues.

Well that depends on the bench. ;)

Not sure why we care anyway as officials what conversations an AD might have with their coach. That is not my concern and does not change how I call the game.

Peace

As an official, you're right. As a parent and basketball fan, I'd have a real problem with that behavior.

In order for the state to see the whole game, they would have to ask for the game film from either school.

Is that all that difficult? No, and they're not going to issue sanctions without the whole thing. My guess is they could get it from the kid who edited the video.

And depending on which one you are, you really might have little to do with what ultimately happens.

Peace

I'm pretty sure my impact from 7000 feet will be exactly zero. :)

The only issue however is that was the student the team videographer?

With seeing how the videos that they posted were edited, I would say not.

I used to be team videographer when I was the Boys' Basketball Manager, as soon as the game was done one of the assistants came and got the tape/camera and took it with them to the locker room.

The only other way I could think of it happening is if they had an additional memory unit available that recorded at the same time as the primary media, however all video cameras will only record to one source.

Or you could go to the board meeting like they did in "Hoosier" or "Footloose."

You know these meetings bring lots of changes. :D

Peace

I'm not worried about the kid's dancing, though. :)
I don't think the opinion of some guy from Colorado is going to mean much anyway. They'll still let the kid keep dancing.

Again, getting the video wouldn't be that hard. I'm guessing either school would send it, particularly your non-rival opponent here.

If the first foul referred to here is the first in the video we saw, all I can say is :eek:

Rival: A competitor (person, team, company, etc.) who is well known to another and has similar skills and achievements. Defeating a rival may be a primary or necessary goal of a competitor.

There have not been similar skill sets & achievements between the two schools.

Sure he can. He can kick the kid off the team any time he wishes....even in the middle of the game. As game management, he can have the game stopped and forfeit it. You can certainly pull exception cases out where the AD has no authority but that would be the extreme exception, not the norm. If not the AD, then the Principal. Someone, whoever it might be, at the gym is in charge of the facility and the event and can shut it down.

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NEVER comment to a news source on the officiating in a game, especially one which you did not work yourself!!! :mad:

Yes; maybe I would too.

And especially if you're going to butcher the terminology.

Exactly my thoughts, as well. I'm penalizing only the shove, too.

I've run into one or two ADs who thought they could tell the officials how to call the game. That's not going to happen, but as mentioned the AD could stop the contest and choose to forfeit. I certainly wouldn't try to fight that -- I'd simply file the appropriate report with the commissioner and with the state office.

I'd like to see the video of the entire game.

But it's telling to me that we have all of those hard fouls and not a single official closes distance to provide a presence in the middle of the players to prevent any retaliation.

Jeff mentioned it earlier -- these officials simply don't seem to have any awareness.

A couple of comments on particular fouls -- my comments earlier I'm pretty happy with, but to clarify:

#2 would not be considered intentional ever. Stupid? Yes. It's not even close to being an intentional foul *even with* the other fouls to put it in context.

#5 is flagrant. Yes, the kid's momentum provides a lot of what puts him on the ground, but it's the blatant disregard for the opponent that causes that, IMO.

The officials need to learn how to officiate before they let someone get killed.

I agree. This "player's" actions are not fair to the other kids who are interested in playing a basketball game.

When thinking about the duties of the officials, which is why we are here, who cares what grade he is in and what his primary duties are? In this game, and I'm sure others, he is a nuisance and should have been eliminated from the contest in one way or the other.

So Chseagle, are these officials "veterans" in your area? In your opinion, how to they rate in their association. Ladies and gentlemen, for their area, these may be top officials. Sad but possibly true.

Similar fouls by the other team has been mentioned as a possibility. So? Even if the other team committed the exact same fouls the fact still remains that very little was done to properly officiate this game.

Why does all of this matter? <gasp> Some teams actually record games and keep them for...the entire season. Yes, both teams could say no, but it is a simple matter of asking for the video and getting a response.

You are obviously biased in favor of the team wearing white. That is OK, but the actions in this edited clip should have been officiated differently. Show us an edited clip of similar plays from the other side and we will say the same thing. My goodness.

Seriously? Do you really think people look up this definition before saying a school is their rival? Seriously?

You know, there is nothing wrong with taking things literally, but sometimes people say things that have an underlying message. I don't think you got it when asked about the true sense of the word; I didn't take that as a call for a definition of rival. Even if I did, after reading the definition I would not post the definition after realizing rivals are made up of more than this definition. For instance, schools that are close - with kids that grew up together attending each - may be considered rivals. Thinking that one must compare trophy cases before considering schools rivals is just...

On that play it would have been a block on Red34 if White 42 was there to play basketball and continued his natural movement toward the ball.

But 42 extends his arms to push 34 before any contact is made and that's why the only foul to get there is on him.

As for some of the other arguments being made, there is no defense of #34's actions regardless of what else was happening in the game. And based on the lack of video evidence and overall body language of the players I find it HIGHLY unlikely that there was anything similar going on at the other end of the court as chseagle keeps suggesting. I'd bet any amount of money that if there was, we would have seen this escalate into an all out brawl.

I think the main points again are:

1) The complete lack of control and awareness demonstrated by the game officials. One of my pet peeves is when fans/coaches say to officials, "You're gonna get somebody hurt out there." I think it's such an ignorant comment and 99.9% of the time is totally off base. In this instance, it would have been completely justified and in many of the environments I've been in, a parent would have tried to come onto the court to address the officials, #34, and/or the HC of the white team.

2) The Connell coach and administration should be held accountable for allowing #34 to engage in this type of behavior on the court. Personally, I have never seen a player commit a series of fouls like the one on the video. Of course we do not have the whole game tape but again, nothing justifies that type of goonery on a basketball court. Maybe something was said to him on the sidelines but after the 2nd foul he should not have been in the game IMO. Since the officials did not take care of business, the coach and administrators should be ashamed that they allowed that to continue, especially since you can see the kid smirking after almost each of his acts.

"Who, Me ? ? ?" (with Palms Up)
 

For several days I resisted the temptation to watch this link, settling instead for basking in all the righteous indignation of those responding, some of which I thought might have been purely reactionary, piling-on, and unnecessary.
Then I watched it.
The thought first struck me that some association did a great job of staging a real-to-life game complete with opposing team players to help members identify situations with hard fouls, flagrant fouls, and precursors to worse things to come if not dealt with. Then I watched the link again. It was for real!
Seems now that all the righteous indignation was not undeserving.
Will try to suggest this for an upcoming association meeting along with that Georgia State Association training video on the topic.
My guess is that the Eagles did real well in football that fall.

My two cents:

Did anyone notice #34 and #42 talking and slapping hands after some of the fouls? Seems this may have been pre planned?

It does not matter that the person taking the video only filmed the "rough plays" being made by the white team. If it was the same on both ends the refs should be sanctioned for letting it go to a football game, or they should have changed uniforms and moved it outside to the grass.

Just basically, in my opinion, very poor officiating. I mean when you get a player that runs 3ft then shoves another player 10ft away and you call a common foul? wth!!!

chs, although I dont like talking about other posters on the boards, as I know very little myself, I feel as your comments may be a little one sided against the AD and defending the white team. It really does not matter if play was rough on the other end of the floor, it does not make what the white team is doing ok.

Again, just my two cents.

I agree, it seems to me that #34 exemplifies a failure of coaching. Unless #34's dog had died, this is behavior that would have shown up sooner; either in practice or previous games.

I also agree that if red had behaved similarly in this game, they would have likely broken into a brawl.

Judging by the six plays we saw, I'm assuming white got their a$$es handed to them on the score board. That might explain (not justify) the officials not handing out intentional fouls like candy.

I have. Last season. None were flagrant, but after the first hard foul and watching him off ball, I had my radar up. In a minute of game play I personally hit him with 3 fouls (the final one intentional) and he was on the bench. He didn't come back into the game.

I also worked a game where the visiting team gave up a huge run to start the second half and decided to thug it up the rest of the game. Three technicals and a flagrant foul later....of course every foul where bodies fly I am lingering and likely closing ground to make sure I'm there in case something happens and, better yet, preventing things from happening just by letting people see my stripes.

I have no problem putting focus on a troublemaker on the court and making sure I get every foul he may commit.

I guess that's my point. You took care of business and then the coach sat him the rest of the game.

I have seen kids come into games and commit hard fouls. Like 34, usually an oversixed football player who doesnt know how to play basketball. But after the first foul, we as officials have our radar up and will call it every time he breathes on somebody.

Coaches usually get the picture and take the kid out of the game because the fouls are hurting his chances of winning and hopefully because it's the right thing to do. I have never seen the officials AND the coach allow a player to be on the court this long to commit a series of fouls like this.

Agreed. My guess is they got a quote from the writer's brother-in-law who happens to be either a JV basketball ref, or an official in another sport (maybe track).

Exactly. A sage guy who liked to "let 'em play" (notice the wisdom) once said, "It's better to have 30 fouls in a half than 10 fouls and a fight."