Blarg

[force39]

Blarg happens, I had an official tell me that the way to handle is to give each a foul and go alternating possession? Doesn't sound correct? How would you handle.

[BillyMac]

4.19.8 SITUATION C: A1 drives for a try and jumps and releases the ball.
Contact occurs between A1 and B1 after the release and before airborne shooter
A1 returns one foot to the floor. One official calls a blocking foul on B1 and the
other official calls a charging foul on A1. The try is (a) successful, or (b) not successful.
RULING: Even though airborne shooter A1 committed a charging foul, it
is not a player-control foul because the two fouls result in a double personal foul.
The double foul does not cause the ball to become dead on the try. In (a), the goal
is scored; play is resumed at the point of interruption, which is a throw-in for
Team B from anywhere along the end line. In (b), the point of interruption is a try
in flight; therefore the alternating-possession procedure is used. (4-36)

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by force39

Blarg happens, I had an official tell me that the way to handle is to give each a foul and go alternating possession? Doesn't sound correct? How would you handle.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4.19.8 SITUATION C: A1 drives for a try and jumps and releases the ball.
Contact occurs between A1 and B1 after the release and before airborne shooter
A1 returns one foot to the floor. One official calls a blocking foul on B1 and the
other official calls a charging foul on A1. The try is (a) successful, or (b) not successful.
RULING: Even though airborne shooter A1 committed a charging foul, it
is not a player-control foul because the two fouls result in a double personal foul.
The double foul does not cause the ball to become dead on the try. In (a), the goal
is scored; play is resumed at the point of interruption, which is a throw-in for
Team B from anywhere along the end line. In (b), the point of interruption is a try
in flight; therefore the alternating-possession procedure is used. (4-36)

Force,

Because the calls are judgement calls, both fouls are penalized.

Imagine that only the L had a whistle on the play. The T did not have a whistle, so therefore just stood there watching the players after the L had the foul call. The L does his prelim and in his judgement, it is a block. Whether or not anyone agrees with the call, including the T who stayed silent on the matter, the crew will enforce a blocking foul.

Now imagine that only the T had a whistle on the play. The L did not have a whistle, so therefore just stood there watching the players after the T had the foul call. The T does his prelim and in his judgement, it is a player control foul. Whether or not anyone agrees with the call, including the L who stayed silent on the matter, the crew will enforce a player control foul.

Now imagine that both signal a prelim without waiting to see what the other official has. Since they both signalled, both are expressing their judgement of the play. Backtracking on one of those opinions (ie. only enforcing the block or the PC) throws both guys under the bus.

Their credibility could be shot. And that is what the case book play is avoiding, imho.

To prevent this, officials need education about situations where the blarge could come into play:

• whose primary did the play originate from?
• who has the primary defender and who has the secondary defender?
  • and for that matter, what is a primary defender and what is a secondary defender
• the pass and crash situation

Also to prevent this, officials need to follow approved mechanics: when your whistle goes, raise the fist in the air, and pause for a heartbeat or two, giving time to see if your partner has anything, and then make eye contact and go from there. IOW, don't go right to the prelim - which is what causes many blarges.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by force39

Blarg happens, I had an official tell me that the way to handle is to give each a foul and go alternating possession? Doesn't sound correct? How would you handle.

Almost....charge both and go to point-of-interruption (which may or may not be the AP).

[refiator]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Almost....charge both and go to point-of-interruption (which may or may not be the AP).

Yep. Gotta have a double foul and go with the AP....Then have a long talk at your earliest opportunity on how to avoid this in the future....A good pre game on primary coverage areas will help this.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by refiator

Yep. Gotta have a double foul and go with the AP....Then have a long talk at your earliest opportunity on how to avoid this in the future....A good pre game on primary coverage areas will help this.

Earliest opportunity for a long talk is the pre-game. After the fact a good official will recognize if his actions are what caused the problem.

AP is not automatic, depends of the status of the ball at the time of the double foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by refiator

Yep. Gotta have a double foul and go with the AP....

Not necessarily.

If there's team control, POI, team A keeps the ball.

If there's a shot and the basket is good, POI, Team B gets the ball for throw-in, with the opportunity to run the endline.

[JRutledge]

I had one happen to me about a week or so ago with a fellow poster watching (at least I think he was watching at that time). I hate it when it happens, but it happens to the best of us. I did not see my partner and I signaled. Oh well, life moves on.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I hate it when it happens. I did not see my partner and I signaled.

I hate it when, as the lead, I don't hear my partner's whistle, usually due to crowd noise, and figuring that I'm the only caller, immediately come out with a strong player control foul signal, or a strong block signal, only then seeing my partner's fist in the air. So far, in over thirty years, no blarges, but it still scares the hell out of me.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Not necessarily.

If there's team control, POI, team A keeps the ball.

If there's a shot and the basket is good, POI, Team B gets the ball for throw-in, with the opportunity to run the endline.

True. I did not consider those scenarios. Thanks.

[bainsey]

I've had one blarge this year. I was the lead and had a block. My partner was the trail and a had a charge.

We had a double whistle and fists up, but neither made the next signal. We had eye contact, so we approached each other to talk about it.

I thought it was an easy block, but my partner told me the dribbler had an outstretched limb, which made the initial contact. In this case, we opted not to go with the double foul, and my partner reported the PC foul. (It made for an interesting moment, as the kids starting to line up at the lane while we were discussing.)

Simply put, talk about it first. If you still insist that you're call is right, and your partner sees it differently, the only choice is a double foul. However, it helps to communicate first.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by force39

Blarg happens, I had an official tell me that the way to handle is to give each a foul and go alternating possession? Doesn't sound correct? How would you handle.

Unless you're working NCAAW, the ruling is correct.