TIL NFL Referee Gene Steratore...

[tballump]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

$3,000 is the top of the pay scale. Steratore is not getting that for all (or maybe any) of his games. Those $2,2000 and higher numbers are for the big boy conferences (Big East; Big 12; SEC; etc)

A lot of conferences that use to pay travel are now just paying a flat fee.

For example, the Colonial (VCU; George Mason) used to pay something like $900-1,300/game plus travel. Now I believe the scale is $1,500/1,700/1,900 flat fee.

I believe the low end mid-majors are in the $550 flat fee range.

Once again is that $3,000 top of the pay scale a "game fee" plus extra money for expenses (flight, hotel, meals, etc.), or a "flat fee" with everything wrapped into that flat fee? thanks.

And of course the link shows that Steratore works in the "big boy" conferences B10(8) and BE(17) for 25 games along with the A-10 for 13 games.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tballump

Once again is that $3,000 top of the pay scale a "game fee" plus extra money for expenses (flight, hotel, meals, etc.), or a "flat fee" with everything wrapped into that flat fee? thanks.

And of course the link shows that Steratore works in the "big boy" conferences B10(8) and BE(17) for 25 games along with the A-10 for 13 games.

It's total, abd the amount of the game fee portion of it depends on the "experience level" (or whatever they call it).

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's total, abd the amount of the game fee portion of it depends on the "experience level" (or whatever they call it).

I will address conferences out West (PAC 12, WCC. Big Sky). Their fees are tiered depending on level of experience and its all inclusive (travel and food) comes out of that fee. Highest end of scale in PAC 12 is about $2200.

And Please don't ask me to reveal my sources..my lips are sealed

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tballump

Once again is that $3,000 top of the pay scale a "game fee" plus extra money for expenses (flight, hotel, meals, etc.), or a "flat fee" with everything wrapped into that flat fee? thanks.

And of course the link shows that Steratore works in the "big boy" conferences B10(8) and BE(17) for 25 games along with the A-10 for 13 games.

I'm not privy to every contract and its language. I gave an answer based what I've heard. Ask one of the big boys if you want intimate details or check the Referee Magazine archives. They've done articles on it. An official's resume' plays a part in the pay scale (previous tourney and Final Four experience for example) as well as being U1, U2, or Crew Chief.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tballump

Once again is that $3,000 top of the pay scale a "game fee" plus extra money for expenses (flight, hotel, meals, etc.), or a "flat fee" with everything wrapped into that flat fee? thanks.

And of course the link shows that Steratore works in the "big boy" conferences B10(8) and BE(17) for 25 games along with the A-10 for 13 games.

Why does it really matter? I understand discussing it out of curiosity, but your dissertation borders on an unhealthy obsession.

[zm1283]

I saw the Missouri Valley's pay scale a while back. It started around $1200/game and went over $2000/game depending on what "tier" you are in. Pretty sure that didn't include lodging/airfare/per diem. Basketball is the most lucrative sport. Even the big baseball conferences only pay around $1000 for a series.

NFL referee pay is surprisingly low compared to MLB umpires.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

NFL referee pay is surprisingly low compared to MLB umpires.

Per game?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I saw the Missouri Valley's pay scale a while back. It started around $1200/game and went over $2000/game depending on what "tier" you are in. Pretty sure that didn't include lodging/airfare/per diem. Basketball is the most lucrative sport. Even the big baseball conferences only pay around $1000 for a series.

NFL referee pay is surprisingly low compared to MLB umpires.

A lot more games in MLB (~10 times).

[bowlingref]

The $ 3,000 is everything. Some of the conferences have gone to a flat fee and the ref has to take care of their own travel expenses.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why does it really matter? I understand discussing it out of curiosity, but your dissertation borders on an unhealthy obsession.

Choosing a career path? Let's see? Twenty-five games? At $3000.00 per game? Minus expenses? No. He's not quiting his day job. Wait a minute. I've heard the same thing from several fans over the past thirty-plus years.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why does it really matter? I understand discussing it out of curiosity, but your dissertation borders on an unhealthy obsession.

Stick with the curiosity part.

Clicked on the link and noted that there were several D-1 that worked over 100 games over the years. At 3,000 plus expenses versus 3,000 minus expenses there could be a huge difference in the actual game fee. Making 300k for a season plus expenses versus making 100k plus expenses would be quite a swing. For 3,000 plus expenses for 100 games, one would definitely not need another job.

And yes, Steratore makes out much better at 6k per game by now on the way to 8k per game by year 20 in the NFL, than he would at 3k per D-1 basketball game. But, at 300k per year through officiating, he does not need another job.

Just peeked my curiosity, and I found the numbers interesting. That's all. Sorry if I offended or went overboard. Thanks for your help.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tballump

Sorry if I offended or went overboard.

One thing that I've learned since I retired from public school teaching, and now work in private industry: Never, never ever, discuss your pay with your colleagues. And don't discuss religion, sex, or politics, at work either.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tballump

Stick with the curiosity part.

Clicked on the link and noted that there were several D-1 that worked over 100 games over the years. At 3,000 plus expenses versus 3,000 minus expenses there could be a huge difference in the actual game fee. Making 300k for a season plus expenses versus making 100k plus expenses would be quite a swing. For 3,000 plus expenses for 100 games, one would definitely not need another job.

And yes, Steratore makes out much better at 6k per game by now on the way to 8k per game by year 20 in the NFL, than he would at 3k per D-1 basketball game. But, at 300k per year through officiating, he does not need another job.

Just peeked my curiosity, and I found the numbers interesting. That's all. Sorry if I offended or went overboard. Thanks for your help.

Sorry if I came across snippy, I think I let my political aversion to people complaining about how much money other people make color the way I read your post.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sorry if I came across snippy, I think I let my political aversion to people complaining about how much money other people make color the way I read your post.

Are you the 1%, or the 99%? I really want to see snippy. Go for it. Don't be bashful. Don't hold back.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Per game?

Originally Posted by tjones1

A lot more games in MLB (~10 times).

Yeah I thought of that after I posted.

I guess there's a tradeoff: In baseball, you travel a lot more but don't need a second job. In football, most of the time you would need a second job but don't have to travel nearly as much.