T or No?

[stiffler3492]

Team A is down by 6 with less than a minute to play. A1 hits a long jumper in transition. Her left foot is on the three point line when she shoots. As soon as the ball goes in, Coach A calls timeout.

I make sure the table knows it was a two point shot. The Coach hears me telling the table this, and asks, was that a three? I say no coach, her foot was on the line. He then yells across to what I'm assuming was his team's fans. "Was that a three?", as if he didn't believe me.

Would you T the coach for "showing you up"?

For the record, he'd been whining about foul counts and over the back all night. I'd had enough of his BS. I held off on the T, thinking it was borderline at best. Would you hit him with the T in that situation?

[deecee]

Nope, I would not. I don't care about coaches saying things like "3 seconds" "over the back" "Insert incorrect rule assumption here".

[Camron Rust]

That is not something I would address at that point of the game....T or otherwise.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

For the record, he'd been whining about foul counts and over the back all night. I'd had enough of his BS. I held off on the T, thinking it was borderline at best. Would you hit him with the T in that situation?

Even though your ABS Meter appears to be going off, I think it was good to pass here too.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Team A is down by 6 with less than a minute to play. A1 hits a long jumper in transition. Her left foot is on the three point line when she shoots. As soon as the ball goes in, Coach A calls timeout.

I make sure the table knows it was a two point shot. The Coach hears me telling the table this, and asks, was that a three? I say no coach, her foot was on the line. He then yells across to what I'm assuming was his team's fans. "Was that a three?", as if he didn't believe me.

Would you T the coach for "showing you up"?

For the record, he'd been whining about foul counts and over the back all night. I'd had enough of his BS. I held off on the T, thinking it was borderline at best. Would you hit him with the T in that situation?

Not for that; but most likely I would have whacked him sometime back in the first half. When we say a coach has been "whining all night" then it's our fault for not taking care of it earlier don't you think?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Not for that; but most likely I would have whacked him sometime back in the first half. When we say a coach has been "whining all night" then it's our fault for not taking care of it earlier don't you think?

No.

It just means that the coach has not yet put enough straws on the camel's back.

If you whacked this coach in the first half, you'd post "the coach complained about 3 seconds so I whacked him; he had been complaining the entire first quarter" and someone here would say, "you should have whacked him in hte first quarter." etc.

[billyu2]

My point being, if the coach had been dealt with earlier, then his 3 point "antic" near the end of the game probably never would have happened. But if we choose to allow the whining to go on all game to the point that "we've had enough of his BS" then we've left the door open for this kind of nonsense.

[Adam]

I agree with the idea that if you've allowed it to continue to this point, calling a T here is probably not the best option.

OTOH, if he had been a peach all game, started whining with 2 minutes in the 4th (not uncommon), and you had already warned him immediately prior to this scenario, it might be warranted.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Stiffler:

I do not care if he had or had not been whinning all game long (and if he had you probably should have taken business by now already) but:

WHACK!!

He did this to show you up.

MTD, Sr.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Team A is down by 6 with less than a minute to play. A1 hits a long jumper in transition. Her left foot is on the three point line when she shoots. As soon as the ball goes in, Coach A calls timeout.

I make sure the table knows it was a two point shot. The Coach hears me telling the table this, and asks, was that a three? I say no coach, her foot was on the line. He then yells across to what I'm assuming was his team's fans. "Was that a three?", as if he didn't believe me.

Would you T the coach for "showing you up"?

For the record, he'd been whining about foul counts and over the back all night. I'd had enough of his BS. I held off on the T, thinking it was borderline at best. Would you hit him with the T in that situation?

Nope.

Good point by grunewar - ignore your ABS meter as justification to call the T. Does the fact that he was "whining all night" mean that you could have dealt with the BS earlier?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

"Was that a three?"

Well...what was the reply?

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Well...what was the reply?

From me?

"No coach, her foot was on the line"

From the crowd?

Someone said something, but I couldn't make it out.

[just another ref]

I'm still not sure exactly what happened here. If the coach was looking elsewhere, and honestly didn't see what the call was, I have no problem with answering his question "Was that a three?" with a simple shake of the head, if it's convenient as I pass. If I know that he did see the signal, and then asks, I wouldn't acknowledge the question.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm still not sure exactly what happened here. If the coach was looking elsewhere, and honestly didn't see what the call was, I have no problem with answering his question "Was that a three?" with a simple shake of the head, if it's convenient as I pass. If I know that he did see the signal, and then asks, I wouldn't acknowledge the question.

The problem wasn't with him asking the question. I don't doubt that his attention was elsewhere when I signaled two as the shot was in flight.

The problem was with him asking the crowd across the gym if it was a three, AFTER I had answered his question.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

The problem wasn't with him asking the question. I don't doubt that his attention was elsewhere when I signaled two as the shot was in flight.

The problem was with him asking the crowd across the gym if it was a three, AFTER I had answered his question.

Also not worthy of your attention, in my opinion.