T or No?

stiffler3492 · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 02:45am

Team A is down by 6 with less than a minute to play. A1 hits a long jumper in transition. Her left foot is on the three point line when she shoots. As soon as the ball goes in, Coach A calls timeout.

I make sure the table knows it was a two point shot. The Coach hears me telling the table this, and asks, was that a three? I say no coach, her foot was on the line. He then yells across to what I'm assuming was his team's fans. "Was that a three?", as if he didn't believe me.

Would you T the coach for "showing you up"?

For the record, he'd been whining about foul counts and over the back all night. I'd had enough of his BS. I held off on the T, thinking it was borderline at best. Would you hit him with the T in that situation?

deecee · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 03:36am

Nope, I would not. I don't care about coaches saying things like "3 seconds" "over the back" "Insert incorrect rule assumption here".

Camron Rust · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 03:39am

That is not something I would address at that point of the game....T or otherwise.

grunewar · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 07:58am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492

For the record, he'd been whining about foul counts and over the back all night. I'd had enough of his BS. I held off on the T, thinking it was borderline at best. Would you hit him with the T in that situation?

Even though your ABS Meter appears to be going off, I think it was good to pass here too.

billyu2 · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 08:20am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Team A is down by 6 with less than a minute to play. A1 hits a long jumper in transition. Her left foot is on the three point line when she shoots. As soon as the ball goes in, Coach A calls timeout.

I make sure the table knows it was a two point shot. The Coach hears me telling the table this, and asks, was that a three? I say no coach, her foot was on the line. He then yells across to what I'm assuming was his team's fans. "Was that a three?", as if he didn't believe me.

Would you T the coach for "showing you up"?

For the record, he'd been whining about foul counts and over the back all night. I'd had enough of his BS. I held off on the T, thinking it was borderline at best. Would you hit him with the T in that situation?

Not for that; but most likely I would have whacked him sometime back in the first half. When we say a coach has been "whining all night" then it's our fault for not taking care of it earlier don't you think?

JugglingReferee · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 08:21am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Team A is down by 6 with less than a minute to play. A1 hits a long jumper in transition. Her left foot is on the three point line when she shoots. As soon as the ball goes in, Coach A calls timeout.

I make sure the table knows it was a two point shot. The Coach hears me telling the table this, and asks, was that a three? I say no coach, her foot was on the line. He then yells across to what I'm assuming was his team's fans. "Was that a three?", as if he didn't believe me.

Would you T the coach for "showing you up"?

For the record, he'd been whining about foul counts and over the back all night. I'd had enough of his BS. I held off on the T, thinking it was borderline at best. Would you hit him with the T in that situation?

Nope.

Good point by grunewar - ignore your ABS meter as justification to call the T. Does the fact that he was "whining all night" mean that you could have dealt with the BS earlier?

bob jenkins · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 08:34am

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Originally Posted by billyu2

Not for that; but most likely I would have whacked him sometime back in the first half. When we say a coach has been "whining all night" then it's our fault for not taking care of it earlier don't you think?

No.

It just means that the coach has not yet put enough straws on the camel's back.

If you whacked this coach in the first half, you'd post "the coach complained about 3 seconds so I whacked him; he had been complaining the entire first quarter" and someone here would say, "you should have whacked him in hte first quarter." etc.

billyu2 · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 01:03pm

My point being, if the coach had been dealt with earlier, then his 3 point "antic" near the end of the game probably never would have happened. But if we choose to allow the whining to go on all game to the point that "we've had enough of his BS" then we've left the door open for this kind of nonsense.

Adam · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 01:07pm

I agree with the idea that if you've allowed it to continue to this point, calling a T here is probably not the best option.

OTOH, if he had been a peach all game, started whining with 2 minutes in the 4th (not uncommon), and you had already warned him immediately prior to this scenario, it might be warranted.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 01:58pm

Stiffler:

I do not care if he had or had not been whinning all game long (and if he had you probably should have taken business by now already) but:

WHACK!!

He did this to show you up.

MTD, Sr.

Raymond · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 04:17pm

I would not whack him but I would have some words with him in a one-way conversation and I would not have minced any words with him.

JRutledge · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 24, 2011, 04:59pm

At first I thought this was the little game on the "Highly Questionable Show" called "Si or no."

My bad.

Honestly this is a HTBT situation. I can imagine this going on with not a lot of loudness and I can imagine the coach going off. For me it would depend on how loud the coach was and what had they done previously. If it was not a T, then it certainly would be something I would probably address before or after that timeout was over. Experience is what will tell you how bad this situation is and how it should be addressed. And honestly only you will know what a line is crossed, because your line is not everyone else's line.

Peace