T or No? - Page 2

just another ref · #16 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 01:16am

I'm still not sure exactly what happened here. If the coach was looking elsewhere, and honestly didn't see what the call was, I have no problem with answering his question "Was that a three?" with a simple shake of the head, if it's convenient as I pass. If I know that he did see the signal, and then asks, I wouldn't acknowledge the question.

stiffler3492 · #17 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 01:38am

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Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm still not sure exactly what happened here. If the coach was looking elsewhere, and honestly didn't see what the call was, I have no problem with answering his question "Was that a three?" with a simple shake of the head, if it's convenient as I pass. If I know that he did see the signal, and then asks, I wouldn't acknowledge the question.

The problem wasn't with him asking the question. I don't doubt that his attention was elsewhere when I signaled two as the shot was in flight.

The problem was with him asking the crowd across the gym if it was a three, AFTER I had answered his question.

just another ref · #18 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 02:15am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492

The problem wasn't with him asking the question. I don't doubt that his attention was elsewhere when I signaled two as the shot was in flight.

The problem was with him asking the crowd across the gym if it was a three, AFTER I had answered his question.

Also not worthy of your attention, in my opinion.

Adam · #19 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 10:48am

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Also not worthy of your attention, in my opinion.

Apparently, you didn't pay attention to that part of the story.

BktBallRef · #20 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492

...when I signaled two as the shot was in flight.

Really? Why?

stiffler3492 · #21 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 01:23pm

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Really? Why?

You don't point two fingers at the floor when a jump shooter steps on the three point line as he releases the shot?

JRutledge · #22 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 02:09pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492

You don't point two fingers at the floor when a jump shooter steps on the three point line as he releases the shot?

That is a very common mechanic when the shot is rather close. I would rather you do that than not do anything and only have the table complain later that they did not know and cause more confusion. Some officials feel we should not do this and they have a point, but if the table is totally clueless (which they often are) this tells everyone what you have. Again, only on really close shots is this even necessary.

Peace

BillyMac · #23 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 03:48pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492

You don't point two fingers at the floor when a jump shooter steps on the three point line as he releases the shot?

I don't? We don't? Who says? It's an "approved" mechanic here in IAABO Connecticut, the entire state, not just in my little corner.

Camron Rust · #24 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 04:35pm

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I don't? We don't? Who says? It's an "approved" mechanic here in IAABO Connecticut, the entire state, not just in my little corner.

But that pic has one finger, not two!!!!

zm1283 · #25 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 05:32pm

I don't point to the floor or signal anything until after the ball goes in the basket, then I will hold up two fingers to the table so they know.

bob jenkins · #26 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 05:33pm

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But that pic has one finger, not two!!!!

And the official is looking down at the floor, while the shooter is getting fouled.

Rich · #27 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 05:56pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283

I don't point to the floor or signal anything until after the ball goes in the basket, then I will hold up two fingers to the table so they know.

I always point to the line if the shooter is either on the line or is within a foot or so of it.

bob jenkins · #28 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 08:43pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283

I don't point to the floor or signal anything until after the ball goes in the basket, then I will hold up two fingers to the table so they know.

If you point when the shot is take, it will show up on tape -- that's when the decision needs to be made, and it will show you made it.

refiator · #29 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 11:07pm

A) I would not "Whack" him based on your description. He was being a putz, but I wouldn't consider this "showing you up"....at least in this case.

B) I don't like to give a signal for something that doesn't happen. If I signal a "three"...so it is. If I don't signal, it was 2 pt shot.

APG · #30 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 25, 2011, 11:12pm

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B) I don't like to give a signal for something that doesn't happen. If I signal a "three"...so it is. If I don't signal, it was 2 pt shot.

I'm guessing you don't use the "not closely guarded" signal then? There are some that advocated not using the signal because "a lack of a count means I'm not counting."

I think the pros of using the signal far outweigh not using it but of course that comes with the caveat of "when in Rome" and that your mileage may vary.