I do sometimes tell table people to not use that horn for all kinds of things like substitutions or unless nothing is going on. And sometimes players stop and sometimes they don't. It really depends on what is going on and what action is taking place.

Peace

I don't know how we can make it any clearer.

Once a shot is in flight, only a whistle for a PC foul by an airborne shooter causes the ball to become dead. Otherwise, the shot is good if it goes.

It's no different that a whistle for a double foul while a shot is in flight.

EDIT: And for Scrapper, an elbow swinging violation while the ball is in flight, something I've never called or seen.

What if a member of the shooting team swings his/her elbows excessively to get rebounding space?

Yes you are. Violations against the team shooting the ball and PC fouls against an airborne shooter are the only things that would disallow the basket.

I think we know what you are saying, but a part of the earlier confusion was about what made the ball dead, the whistle or the horn. With that in mind, perhaps it should be pointed out that in this case, it is not the whistle which makes the ball dead, but the foul.

If you have an inadvertent whistle during a shot by A (ball in flight), your POI will depend upon whether the shot goes in.

If it goes in, B gets the ball for an end line throw-in. If it does not, you go with the arrow.

Same with double fouls that occur while a ball is in flight.

Normally, with a sub situation and the horn goes off, I verbally tell the players to play on. If I have to blow my whistle (because players have stopped playing), I will allow the subs. There's no basis for not allowing the subs once you blow your whistle.

*Shame on that table crew for not informing their officials on the floor that a kid has thier 5'th foul. :mad: :mad: :mad:

*Secondly-around here officials will tell us their preferences on horn use with subs.Some like it and others don't.A vast majority do like it.

That's the part I was missing, Thanks.

I wasn't addressing just the OP. I was addressing Toren's earlier reply, pasted below. He was of the opinion that a whistle causes a shot in flight to become dead.

I once had a game where I both announced the 5th foul overhead and showed five fingers to the calling official, and he still didn't disqualify the player. When there was finally a point for me to tell the crew again about the 5th foul, the official told me I needed to tell them sooner. :(

Whether it's their preference or not, in this case I suggest big-time use of the horn.

Bob, why would this not be a correctable error? The officials erroneously cancelled the score by inadvertently setting aside 2.11.3 "if the scorer signals while the ball is live the official should ignore the signal if a scoring play is in progress." If Coach A had the where-withall to ask to discuss the situation within the time frame and the officials realized their mistake, couldn't they award the points?

It was an error, and it was correctable, but it wasn't YET a CE. ;)

If the question was ... "then, at the next dead ball, the table buzzed and asked about the goal..." we'd have a CE.

The key is that the horn does not stop the game, the whistle/officials stop the game.

If the player is allowed to continue to play due to a book-keeping error you disqualify the player when notified. The basket would score in this case.