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Did the crew put the consumed time back on the clock? If they didn't, then it's not really a re-do anyway.
This isn't a re-do, as everyone here has said. It's an official's mistake and it's not correctable. Would you go back and call a travel that you missed 6 seconds earlier? If not, why would you think this is any different? |
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Instead, they took the easy path. Yes... they put time back on the clock. When I had the discussion with other officials I used your 'travel' example as well. |
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Change the situation a little bit. What if everyone involved was unaware of what was going on in this situation? A is attacking the wrong goal, B is defending the wrong goal. Would 5.2.1 F apply? It deals with jumpers facing the wrong way to start the game, but the concept is the same.
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1. giving the ball to the wrong team. 2. Missing the BC violation. 3. Really screwing up and taking away the points. #3 is what would get me into the most trouble. #1 and #2 are easy to do in confusion, but #3 is inexcusable. As for the coach whose team scored in the wrong basket, what's he really going to complain about? It's not like the officials threw a live ball through his opponent's basket. |
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What would CK do?
So CK. if you were one of the officials in this play, how would you handle it?
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The correct procedure per rule, which is also THE procedure for the good of the game, is count basket for visiting team, award ball to home team. As an official for this game, that is what I would do. I would bring coaches to table to clear up confusion of play. This would be the time as a crew we own up to the mistake. No redo, no correctable error. Sucks for us, but can't go wrong with the rule book. |
Count the basket for V (footnote in the book) and move on. The throwin cannot be corrected because the throwin had ended. The BC violation was missed; it was missed, H scores for V, count the basket for V. Recognized, humbly explain and move on. This is why I stand with the ball in an arm or front or back of my body in the direction the ball is going after any T.O. or delay in getting the ball back in play when I am the official staying with the ball. My response was not a judgement. As to how I would of handled it, by the rules. Do over's do not exsist and should not happen. What I took exception to was this statement
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Pre-game it and then do it
In our pre-game, I tell my partner(s) that after acknowledging the request for a time-out, and before any of us reports the time-out to the table, we will verify with each other, the disposition of the ball, after the time-out. And I tell them that coming out of the time-out, before we administer the subsequent action - we will again verify the disposition of the ball - throw-in, spot throw-in, run the endline, freethrow(s), shooter's number, number of shots remaining.
I've found that this overcomes the blank looks, and puzzled stares that come with tired officials, who are hoping and begging that the basketball gods will enlighten their partners as to what's next. |
I can think of literally dozens of officials who I know that would simply "Make it right" by having a do-over and correcting things. They want to keep coaches on their good side, and most coaches (Who don't know the rules) would want most officials to just have a do-over, so that's what they would do. I imagine I would encounter significant resistance if I tried to handle this by rule as everyone has described.
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Are there officials here who would go with the "redo"? Probably, and some of them are probably varsity guys. Me, I'll have an easier time explaining why I stuck with the rule than trying to explain why I ignored the rule because it "just didn't seem right." |
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Then again, how many times do you hear a fellow official say they would do things one way yet end up doing the opposite. |
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