Throw-in... Backcourt... Made Basket???
 

Varsity Girls game.
Teams are coming out of a time out with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Visiting team has the throw-in from their backcourt endline. Officials give the ball to the Home team. :eek: Home team in bounds the ball. Visiting Coach is yelling "It's our ball". Home team has the ball in their front court but continues to dribble the ball in the wrong direction. They dribble past the midcourt line. :eek: The visiting coach is still yelling. Home team continues to the wrong basket and put the ball into the basket. :eek: Both teams are confused. Finally the official blows the whistle to stop the clock. The whole process takes 6 seconds.
What is the correct procedure per rule?
What is THE procedure per 'the good of the game'? :rolleyes:

Let's Keep It Simple ...
 

Backcourt violation?

THere is no correct procedure.

Giving the ball to the wrong team for the throw-in can't be corrected.

They missed the BC violation.

Home score a basket for the visitors.

Count the basket and let's roll.

7.6.6 SITUATION A:

Team A is awarded a throw-in near the division line. The administering official by mistake, puts the ball at B1's disposal. B1 completes the throw-in and Team B subsequently scores a goal.

RULING: No correction can be made for the mistake by the official after the throw-in ends.

+1

Just make sure to give home team the ball back for an end line throw in after they score in the wrong basket.

And put on a fake mustache so no one recognizes you after the game
Look at the bright side...That will never happen again for those officials :cool:

Thankfully it was not my game. I was in the stands watching.
I realize you described 'Per rule procedures'. Right after the play ALL 3 officials are in DEEEEEP do-do. About 99% of Coaches (and officials) wouldn't know the correct ruling. So why not, for the good of the game, just do a redo? That is what they did. They said it was a correctable error.
How would you tell the Home Coach... "We messed up and gave the ball to your team. Then we messed up an allowed your team to commit a backcourt violation. Then your team scored 2 points for the other team. But Hey, don't be mad at us. At least you get the ball and you can run the endline:rolleyes:"
I have talked to 5 oficials so far and all would do a redo.

There is no authority to do a re-do. A re-do is a wrong call. Just follow the rule.

I agree that the rule is probably too restrictive and the officials *should* be allowed to fix this within a reasonable amount of time -- but the NFHS has actually ruled recently to make this as restrictive as possible and who am I (as one official) to go against their wishes (and by association, the wishes of my state office)?

Yes, they can be mad at us. My last line would have been "we screwed this play up all the way around but now we are going adjudicate it by the rules and move on."

And if this is a Varsity game I would say a lot more officials than 1% would know the correct ruling. If fact all it would take is 33% to know the correct ruling. ;)

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

That's frightening.

Making everyone happy by mis-applying a rule is not always a recipe for success. I can understand for a brief instant thinking "hey, let's do a do-over", but after some conversation amongst the crew and especially after the fact with a rules interpreter, there should be a correct ruling.

I don't mind stirring the pot on this web site. But there is no way I am going to submit this question to the Rule interpreter.
I hear all about this Game Management stuff.

A few years ago I was during a boys varsity summer league through a clinic, I wanted to get in front of a certain assigner to break into his conference, one of the best in area. Clinician who was running clinic made sure I was on assigners game to help me out. 110 in gym, my 3-4 game of night and I'm new lead with about 7 seconds to go in a one point game, team losing has ball. Inbounded at endline and now almost near division line and whistle blows from trail. I can smell trouble. I'm drifting off, like a dummy and not paying attention. New trail says clock never started, Takes ball back to endline for a 'redo':(:(

If paying attention, could have ridden to the rescue and stopped 'redo' C also asleep at wheel.

Every time I hear redo, I get quesy.

Still trying to get in conference

Because ignorance is no excuse.
Because you further complicate things with another mistake.

Exactly, although I would address it with the coach without the sarcasm.

Well, now you've talked to 6 and 5 would do a redo.

Did the crew put the consumed time back on the clock? If they didn't, then it's not really a re-do anyway.

This isn't a re-do, as everyone here has said. It's an official's mistake and it's not correctable. Would you go back and call a travel that you missed 6 seconds earlier? If not, why would you think this is any different?

I am on the side of the officials on this site. Especially when it is a varsity game. They should know and enforce the rules as written. I do not have the power of persuasion. I have bent and broke rules inorder to blend in with the mass majority.
Instead, they took the easy path. Yes... they put time back on the clock. When I had the discussion with other officials I used your 'travel' example as well.

That is not game management as most of us here use it.

Change the situation a little bit. What if everyone involved was unaware of what was going on in this situation? A is attacking the wrong goal, B is defending the wrong goal. Would 5.2.1 F apply? It deals with jumpers facing the wrong way to start the game, but the concept is the same.

I can guarantee you my assigner would bust my balls for only one of the following mistakes:
1. giving the ball to the wrong team.
2. Missing the BC violation.
3. Really screwing up and taking away the points.

#3 is what would get me into the most trouble. #1 and #2 are easy to do in confusion, but #3 is inexcusable.

As for the coach whose team scored in the wrong basket, what's he really going to complain about? It's not like the officials threw a live ball through his opponent's basket.

:confused:What? That is a bet you would lose. (assuming you are talking about the rules interperter and assignors I am familar with) I can assure you that they know the correct ruling and procedure.

What would CK do?
 

So CK. if you were one of the officials in this play, how would you handle it?

Zoochy,

The correct procedure per rule, which is also THE procedure for the good of the game, is count basket for visiting team, award ball to home team. As an official for this game, that is what I would do. I would bring coaches to table to clear up confusion of play. This would be the time as a crew we own up to the mistake. No redo, no correctable error. Sucks for us, but can't go wrong with the rule book.

Count the basket for V (footnote in the book) and move on. The throwin cannot be corrected because the throwin had ended. The BC violation was missed; it was missed, H scores for V, count the basket for V. Recognized, humbly explain and move on. This is why I stand with the ball in an arm or front or back of my body in the direction the ball is going after any T.O. or delay in getting the ball back in play when I am the official staying with the ball. My response was not a judgement. As to how I would of handled it, by the rules. Do over's do not exsist and should not happen. What I took exception to was this statement

And I stand by my previous post.

CK

Pre-game it and then do it
 

In our pre-game, I tell my partner(s) that after acknowledging the request for a time-out, and before any of us reports the time-out to the table, we will verify with each other, the disposition of the ball, after the time-out. And I tell them that coming out of the time-out, before we administer the subsequent action - we will again verify the disposition of the ball - throw-in, spot throw-in, run the endline, freethrow(s), shooter's number, number of shots remaining.
I've found that this overcomes the blank looks, and puzzled stares that come with tired officials, who are hoping and begging that the basketball gods will enlighten their partners as to what's next.

I can think of literally dozens of officials who I know that would simply "Make it right" by having a do-over and correcting things. They want to keep coaches on their good side, and most coaches (Who don't know the rules) would want most officials to just have a do-over, so that's what they would do. I imagine I would encounter significant resistance if I tried to handle this by rule as everyone has described.

Seriously, what's the coach going to say? His players just ran the wrong way and scored in the wrong basket after you inadvertently gave them a gift. I would go by the rule, tell him the rules are clear, and play on. If he complains, I'd politely remind him that I wasn't the one who put the ball in his opponents' basket. After that, we're putting the ball in play and I'm done listening.

Are there officials here who would go with the "redo"? Probably, and some of them are probably varsity guys. Me, I'll have an easier time explaining why I stuck with the rule than trying to explain why I ignored the rule because it "just didn't seem right."

I find it hard to believe that there would be many officials in a locality that would redo unless this play happens often.

Then again, how many times do you hear a fellow official say they would do things one way yet end up doing the opposite.