How much do you talk to coaches?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot think of a single official in years that has used that term that I have worked with.

Peace

I have heard a few of them. "White 24 with a reach" is also used by said officials. I try to not let my winces become visible in those situations.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I have heard a few of them. "White 24 with a reach" is also used by said officials. I try to not let my winces become visible in those situations.

I did work with a guy that said "reach" a while ago, but then again he never got to the point in his career as others. Of course it was not because of this, but if you do this what other things are you not paying attention to.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I have heard a few of them. "White 24 with a reach" is also used by said officials. I try to not let my winces become visible in those situations.

+1

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did work with a guy that said "reach" a while ago, but then again he never got to the point in his career as others. Of course it was not because of this, but if you do this what other things are you not paying attention to.

Peace

Agreed

[tref]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I have heard a few of them. "White 24 with a reach" is also used by said officials. I try to not let my winces become visible in those situations.

I heard "24 white, contact" the other day.

I thought involved parties might be led to think that all contact is a foul

[Toren]

I did the IAABO camp this summer and learned that apparently on the East Coast it's predominantly the case to say "Illegal Use" and in Colorado it's common to say "Hit". I found that kind of interesting. I have tried both and "Illegal Use" never rolls off my tongue.

Back on the subject, I heard a 4th year varsity official the other night say "over the back" and he actually did a made up mechanic to demonstrate this to the coach. It was two man and I don't think I kept my poker face at all.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Toren

I did the IAABO camp this summer and learned that apparently on the East Coast it's predominantly the case to say "Illegal Use" and in Colorado it's common to say "Hit". I found that kind of interesting. I have tried both and "Illegal Use" never rolls off my tongue.

I assume you mean when reporting a foul to the table. Why do you feel the need to embellish the hand signal with anything verbal?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I assume you mean when reporting a foul to the table. Why do you feel the need to embellish the hand signal with anything verbal?

That's correct, when reporting to the table "Blue 24, Hit" with the signal. On the East Coast, "Blue 24, Illegal Use" with the proper signal.

According to the IAABO mechanics book it is an Illegal use of hands mechanic, so it makes sense the way they do it there.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I check with the official scorebook during the timeout, and tell the HC after the timeout has ended. That way I know I'm not wrong.

Many areas don't do this. I agree with those who don't. There's no need to volunteer this information, and sometimes the scorekeeper gives the incorrect information, and soemtimes the official reports it wrong and sometimes the coach hears it incorrectly.

Originally Posted by Toren

That's correct, when reporting to the table "Blue 24, Hit" with the signal. On the East Coast, "Blue 24, Illegal Use" with the proper signal.

According to the IAABO mechanics book it is an Illegal use of hands mechanic, so it makes sense the way they do it there.

Many (most?) areas just "Blue, 24" signal (no voice), "two shots" (or whatever).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Many areas don't do this. I agree with those who don't. There's no need to volunteer this information, and sometimes the scorekeeper gives the incorrect information, and soemtimes the official reports it wrong and sometimes the coach hears it incorrectly.

This is one of those areas where I'm sure you're right (about it being best practice), but I do it anyway. For the most part, I keep track of the timeouts used in my head (I want to remember if a team is out of 30s or 60s cause it makes TO administration easier, IMO) and if I ask the scorer, it's just to verify that I'm right.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Toren

That's correct, when reporting to the table "Blue 24, Hit" with the signal. On the East Coast, "Blue 24, Illegal Use" with the proper signal.

According to the IAABO mechanics book it is an Illegal use of hands mechanic, so it makes sense the way they do it there.

I know what you were talking about, but what I was asking is why do you feel the need to SAY anything at all about the type of foul. Why not just use the hand signal and say nothing?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I know what you were talking about, but what I was asking is why do you feel the need to SAY anything at all about the type of foul. Why not just use the hand signal and say nothing?

I do it cause that's how I was taught, never realized or noticed a difference. I will not voice the signal on my next game and watch the film on it. I may end up liking not voicing the signal more.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Toren

That's correct, when reporting to the table "Blue 24, Hit" with the signal. On the East Coast, "Blue 24, Illegal Use" with the proper signal.

According to the IAABO mechanics book it is an Illegal use of hands mechanic, so it makes sense the way they do it there.

I signal the type of foul with no voice. Most people I work with do the same.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Toren

That's correct, when reporting to the table "Blue 24, Hit" with the signal. On the East Coast, "Blue 24, Illegal Use" with the proper signal.

I am more descriptive. I say the foul they actually committed while giving the proper signal. I learned this at a camp and it works like a charm. I cannot think of the last time I had a single coach question what they did. They might claim something happened first.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Toren

That's correct, when reporting to the table "Blue 24, Hit" with the signal. On the East Coast, "Blue 24, Illegal Use" with the proper signal.

Right, "Blue, 24, Illegal" for me. (Sometimes I say "use," sometimes not.)

As for the "reach/over the back," if it's a newer official, I offer advice later when we're off the floor. If it's a vet, I don't bother. It also makes me cringe, but I don't think face-palming is an approved mechanic.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Right, "Blue, 24, Illegal" for me.

This just seems overly redundant to me and utterly useless.

I also have always found it silly when anyone says "hit". But a lot of people do it, so maybe I'm the one who has a problem...