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RookieDude Thu Dec 22, 2011 04:01pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 807511)
This just seems overly redundant to me and utterly useless.

I also have always found it silly when anyone says "hit". But a lot of people do it, so maybe I'm the one who has a problem...

I work with a really good veteran partner that says..."hack"...oh well.:o

VaTerp Thu Dec 22, 2011 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 807512)
If you know a coach only has 30s (or fulls), then you can just grant and report the TO. You won't need to ask a question with an obvious (to the coach) answer. More than one coach has become iritated at that question. Perhaps they shouldn't, but why even give them the chance?

I've had several coaches respond with an irritated "That's all I've got left." Ok, great. I don't know that for sure and it's not my responsibility to know that. That's what the table and the 5 clowns you have dressed up on your bench are for.

I get it. The coach's irritation is from the game and the pressure to win...whatever. And then you ask them a question that to them is obvious. But good staffs have an asst tell you what the coach wants or a coach can give u the full or 30 signal or just flippin say what they want. It takes a nano second.

Sometimes it works out that I do know what they have left but it's not a conscious effort.

fullor30 Thu Dec 22, 2011 04:16pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 807513)
I work with a really good veteran partner that says..."hack"...oh well.:o

Uh Oh....somebody here very sensitive to word hack

Kids' game awhile back, I said hammered to coach and table for a few chuckles

Smitty Thu Dec 22, 2011 04:17pm

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 807514)
I've had several coaches respond with an irritated "That's all I've got left." Ok, great. I don't know that for sure and it's not my responsibility to know that. That's what the table and the 5 clowns you have dressed up on your bench are for.

I get it. The coach's irritation is from the game and the pressure to win...whatever. And then you ask them a question that to them is obvious. But good staffs have an asst tell you what the coach wants or a coach can give u the full or 30 signal or just flippin say what they want. It takes a nano second.

Sometimes it works out that I do know what they have left but it's not a conscious effort.

That is exactly how I feel. Well said - made me chuckle because it is dead on...

fullor30 Thu Dec 22, 2011 05:41pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 807512)
If you know a coach only has 30s (or fulls), then you can just grant and report the TO. You won't need to ask a question with an obvious (to the coach) answer. More than one coach has become iritated at that question. Perhaps they shouldn't, but why even give them the chance?

I have a general idea, as a good table may tell me previously where we are. If a coach becomes aggravated because he didn't indicate what kind of TO and I have to ask, I'm really not worried how that effects my rating from him, much like I'm not concerned what he thinks of a call I made. Never had someone gripe yet. I ask respectfully and most coaches indicate prior to having to ask what they want.

That said again, if I know for certain, of course I proceed without asking.

After all, I am fullor30.................can't change to coachuhave2

bainsey Thu Dec 22, 2011 05:45pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 807513)
I work with a really good veteran partner that says..."hack".

Yeah, uh, I did that in my first and second year, too.

Bless me, Striped Father, for I have sinned...

RookieDude Thu Dec 22, 2011 06:20pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 807548)
Yeah, uh, I did that in my first and second year, too.

Bless me, Striped Father, for I have sinned...

...since we are confessing to our "Striped Father"...;)

I use "BOOM" while giving the "T" and during my "player control" signal.

BillyMac Thu Dec 22, 2011 06:21pm

He's Alive ...
 
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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 807482)
I heard a 4th year varsity official the other night say "over the back" and he actually did a made up mechanic to demonstrate this to the coach.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...ae2cfc5ab5c624

RookieDude Thu Dec 22, 2011 06:28pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 807563)

That's Awesome!:D

Hey fellow officials...leaving to do my 6th BV game in 7 days...probably won't be on the forum till I get back to work after Christmas...

So...

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL...AND TO ALL A GOODNIGHT!

bob jenkins Thu Dec 22, 2011 06:30pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 807547)
I'm really not worried how that effect my rating from him,

Me, neither. It's just one more (minor but they all add up) game management technique.

Toren Thu Dec 22, 2011 06:30pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 807563)

That's the one! :eek:

mbyron Thu Dec 22, 2011 06:58pm

Back to the OP:

Until you know all the coaches and they know you, I'd recommend against sarcasm, facetiousness, and other forms of irony. If they joke with you before the game, you can feel free to joke back, but on the floor it almost never plays well.

If a coach makes a comment that gets a rule wrong, I won't argue with him about it. Learn the useful expression: "That's not the rule, coach."

When you say that, be right about it. :)

BillyMac Thu Dec 22, 2011 07:34pm

He's A Genius ...
 
Just say the number of the rule. "Sorry Coach, that's a misapplication of rule four". Most coaches don't know that there are only ten rules. They'll be amazed that you've memorized every single rule in the entire rulebook by number. The higher the number you quote, the better it sounds.

tomegun Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:15pm

I had a conversation about this about an hour ago with one of my friends who is a rookie in the NBA this season. He told me that the "rule" has been to answer questions and not comments. He went on to say that isn't necessarily what we have to do because some comments must be addressed.

What brought this up was a game he was at today where one coach was an irritant and the other coach followed suit - the just kept making comments and calling out "ref". He said it was to the point where it was getting on his nerves in the stands. I can imagine he is more in tune with this than the regular fan since officiating is what he does for a living. The point is, the officials on the game didn't address the comments. Another reason he said they should have addressed it is because they were one 50/50 play away from either of the coaches going off. He said when that happens we often wonder why and it could have been prevented by addressing - through conflict resolution skills - the coaches earlier.

fullor30 Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:30pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 807569)
Me, neither. It's just one more (minor but they all add up) game management technique.

I guess, maybe I'll try it.


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