The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 01:57am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Denver Colorado
Posts: 736
Game Management Thought

I have this hypothesis:

At the highest levels of professional sports, officiating becomes less and less about rules and more and more about game management.

In other words, the rules of the game become less important and managing the way these professional athletes play and managing to a certain extent the crowd and managing through communication the coaches all become primary.

I've wondered how easily a transition from one sport to another a referee would make at the highest levels. Would an NBA official be able to transition to NHL (assuming of course the referee could skate) solely based on his management skills? Or an NFL official to FIFA? etc etc.

I'm a relatively new official, so I may be way off base with these thoughts. Do any of the veteran officials have any thoughts on this?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 02:34am
APG APG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,889
I think play accuracy, at least at the pro level is most important (at least at the NBA level and I'd assume it's the same in other sports). That's not to say game management isn't important. You're expected to deal with players and coaches with the biggest stakes on the line. But ultimately, if all your games have no issues, yet your play calling isn't up to par, you probably aren't going to stick around for long.
__________________
Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.

Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.


Last edited by APG; Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 03:30am.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 03:04am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: In the offseason.
Posts: 12,260
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer View Post
I think play accuracy, at least at the pro level, is most important (at least at the NBA level and I'd assume it's the same in other sports). That's not to say game management isn't important. You're expected to deal with players and coaches with the biggest stakes on the line. But ultimately, if all your games have no issues, yet your play calling isn't up to par, you probably aren't going to stick around for long.
Precisely. Every single call/no-call in every game at those levels is reviewed for accuracy. You can bet that the official that gets the calls wrong more the the others is penalized...if not for each error then eventually as they are eventually not retained. And I'm not talking about rules....I'm talking about judgement....yes, they are graded on whether they made the right call as far as the league guidelines dictate. As for rules, they get fined if they get a rule wrong.

The reason, Toren, that it appears to become less and less about the rules is that they just don't get rules wrong much and all that is left is game management.
__________________
Owner/Developer of RefTown.com
Commissioner, Portland Basketball Officials Association
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 08:47am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,019
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toren View Post
At the highest levels of professional sports, officiating becomes less and less about rules and more and more about game management.
It does become more and more about game management. It does NOT become less and less about rules.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 10:06am
TODO: creative title here
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,250
I've met a few NFL officials at some of the clinics/meetings that I've attended. At one point, one of them went over the grading process they go through for every play of every game.

I don't remember all the details, but I do remember that, in order to be 'playoff qualifed' (which doesn't mean quite what you think... if you miss the cut for being playoff qualified 3 times, you get let go), the Umpire (who has the most margin for error of all the officials, due to the fact that he has the most players to watch on any given play), has to be correct 98.75% of the time. Deep officials (FJ, SJ, BJ) have to be correct 99.5% of the time.

I'm sure the NBA, NHL, MLB, FIFA, etc all have similar grading systems in place.

The takeaway: if you think a pro-level official got the call wrong... he/she almost certainly didn't.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 10:54am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Denver Colorado
Posts: 736
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust View Post
The reason, Toren, that it appears to become less and less about the rules is that they just don't get rules wrong much and all that is left is game management.
+1 Makes perfect sense.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 10:55am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Denver Colorado
Posts: 736
Quote:
Originally Posted by jTheUmp View Post
I've met a few NFL officials at some of the clinics/meetings that I've attended. At one point, one of them went over the grading process they go through for every play of every game.

I don't remember all the details, but I do remember that, in order to be 'playoff qualifed' (which doesn't mean quite what you think... if you miss the cut for being playoff qualified 3 times, you get let go), the Umpire (who has the most margin for error of all the officials, due to the fact that he has the most players to watch on any given play), has to be correct 98.75% of the time. Deep officials (FJ, SJ, BJ) have to be correct 99.5% of the time.

I'm sure the NBA, NHL, MLB, FIFA, etc all have similar grading systems in place.

The takeaway: if you think a pro-level official got the call wrong... he/she almost certainly didn't.
Wow that's a daunting thought
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 12:35pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 30,472
Quote:
Originally Posted by jTheUmp View Post
I've met a few NFL officials at some of the clinics/meetings that I've attended. At one point, one of them went over the grading process they go through for every play of every game.

I don't remember all the details, but I do remember that, in order to be 'playoff qualifed' (which doesn't mean quite what you think... if you miss the cut for being playoff qualified 3 times, you get let go), the Umpire (who has the most margin for error of all the officials, due to the fact that he has the most players to watch on any given play), has to be correct 98.75% of the time. Deep officials (FJ, SJ, BJ) have to be correct 99.5% of the time.

I'm sure the NBA, NHL, MLB, FIFA, etc all have similar grading systems in place.

The takeaway: if you think a pro-level official got the call wrong... he/she almost certainly didn't.
We have three NFL Officials in an association I belong to and they talk all the time about how they are graded on plays and the type of things they get downgraded for, even when they are not directly involved. It happens at the college D1 level as well. It does not appear to be as common at the D1 Basketball level, but it is getting there. The problem in college basketball are there are so many games and officials that they do not seem to review every play like the NBA yet and they certainly do not tell the officials the way they do in the NBA what they got right or wrong (at least in the same way).

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 22, 2011, 03:37pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 109
I started doing JV baseball last spring after 10+ years in basketball and soccer. Learning the rules was the hardest part. The game management skills definetely spill over into other sports. Some of the JV umpires I was working with would warn me about how brutal the coaches could be, but I found that compared to Basketball coaches, they were nothing. Those umpires were amazed on how quickly and easily I could diffuse situations they would back away from.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Tue Dec 27, 2011, 04:22pm
Tio Tio is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 463
I would disagree... Rules knowledge is paramount to officiating. No assignor will send you out if you don't know the rules. Your assignor can defend questionable judgment on a play, but not incorrect application of rules. I would contend it gets MORE important the higher you move up as one rules mistake can end a career. I have seen this happen many times to colleagues.

The higher you move up game management is expected as well as dealing with coaches. These skills are often what seperates the great from the good.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
And you thought your game pay was bad! HLin NC Football 9 Tue Nov 17, 2009 09:26pm
Game Management Chess Ref Softball 32 Wed Apr 22, 2009 07:44pm
Saw this in a game and thought-- Oh My.. kfo9494 Football 3 Wed Sep 03, 2008 01:03pm
Bad Game Management canadaump6 Baseball 19 Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:46am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:42am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1