Correctable error quandry

[BayStateRef]

A question from the NCAA-W rules test is giving me problems applying it to a correctable error situation in a high school game (NFHS rules) that a buddy told me about. First the NCAA situation:

Q. Team A is not yet in the bonus when A2 is erroneously awarded a one-and-one. Both free throws are successful. Team B inbounds the ball and dribbles to midcourt and calls a timeout. During this timeout, the officials discover that A2 was awarded unmerited free throws. What is the result?

A. A2's free throws are canceled. Play is resumed with a throw-in to Team B at midcourt. (4-12-5)

The NCAA rule for correctable errors is identical in all meaningful ways to the NFHS rule.

I am having a hard time grasping this answer. Team A shot unmerited free throws and when the error is discovered, the points come off the board and the ball goes to Team B, which had the ball when the error was discovered. Wow. I don't see why Team A does not get the ball back for its rightful spot throw-in.

Now...the situation my buddy described. A1 releases a 3-point try, which is successful. While the ball is in the air, B3 is called for a common foul against A3 under the basket. Team A is in the bonus. The officials make a mistake and allow A1 to shoot the free throws and he makes them both. As Team B is bringing the ball up the court, the table sounds the horn and the referee stops play. The scorer tells the ref that A1 just made a 5-point play and the ref now realizes the error.

What is the correct procedure?

I know you cancel the free throws because they were made by the wrong player and it is within the correctable time frame. Do you then let the correct player shoot the bonus free throws with no one on the lane and then give Team B the ball at the POI?

Or do you just wipe out the the free throws and give the ball back to Team B (no free throws to Team A) since it had the ball when play was stopped?

If the first, then how do you explain the NCAA ruling in what seems to be a similar situation?

[bob jenkins]

The ruling is correct. "Correcttable error" is not equivalent to "REDO". Fix it, the pick up where you left off.

In the first case, "fix it" means cancel FTs in error.

In the second case, it means "let the right person shoot the FTs".

[Camron Rust]

There is some onus on A to not take unmerited FTs. By taking them, they give up the right to a throwin once the FTs are taken and play has resumed even if the FTs subsequently get canceled.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There is some onus on A to not take unmerited FTs. By taking them, they give up the right to a throwin once the FTs are taken and play has resumed even if the FTs get canceled.

By that reasoning, there is even more onus on A1 not to take the free throws since he was not fouled. But his team is not "punished" the way it is in the first scenario. And if it is the home table that gave the officials the bad information...and the visitors lose both the free throws and the ball?

Either way, the rules don't speak to "onus."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

By that reasoning, there is even more onus on A1 not to take the free throws since he was not fouled. But his team is not "punished" the way it is in the first scenario. And if it is the home table that gave the officials the bad information...and the visitors lose both the free throws and the ball?

Either way, the rules don't speak to "onus."

A1 taking FTs due A3 can be penalized with a T if it is deem to be deliberate....certainly an equitable punishment. No matter which CE scenario you come up with, the team that seems to be getting an unfair advantage through the error risk ending up worse off than if they had spoken up and made sure it was right to start with.

Maybe they don't mention "onus' in the rules but there is a reason behind most rules. They're usually not created in a vacuum.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A1 taking FTs due A3 can be penalized with a T if it is deem to be deliberate....certainly an equitable punishment. No matter which CE scenario you come up with, the team that seems to be getting an unfair advantage through the error risk ending up worse off than if they had spoken up and made sure it was right to start with.

Maybe they don't mention "onus' in the rules but there is a reason behind most rules. They're usually not created in a vacuum.

Correctable errors are errors caused by officials. These are our errors. If A1 is told to take some free throws, how many of us would be open to him telling us "my teammate was the one fouled"? So there is no onus on the player to inform us of our mistake.

It is our job, and that's why we get paid handsomely, to know who fouled, who got fouled, what time is on the clock, if we are shooting bonus free throws, if we are in the double bonus, etc etc.

If you called a Technical on a player for deliberately taking free throws that an official gave to him, then you are just compounding the issue. It is our mistake to begin with, fix it, move on.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

A question from the NCAA-W rules test is giving me problems applying it to a correctable error situation in a high school game (NFHS rules) that a buddy told me about. First the NCAA situation:

Q. Team A is not yet in the bonus when A2 is erroneously awarded a one-and-one. Both free throws are successful. Team B inbounds the ball and dribbles to midcourt and calls a timeout. During this timeout, the officials discover that A2 was awarded unmerited free throws. What is the result?

A. A2's free throws are canceled. Play is resumed with a throw-in to Team B at midcourt. (4-12-5)

The NCAA rule for correctable errors is identical in all meaningful ways to the NFHS rule.

I am having a hard time grasping this answer. Team A shot unmerited free throws and when the error is discovered, the points come off the board and the ball goes to Team B, which had the ball when the error was discovered. Wow. I don't see why Team A does not get the ball back for its rightful spot throw-in.

Team A doesn't get the ball back because there's been a change of possession. It's an error. Not everything can be equitable when an error is corrected.

Now...the situation my buddy described. A1 releases a 3-point try, which is successful. While the ball is in the air, B3 is called for a common foul against A3 under the basket. Team A is in the bonus. The officials make a mistake and allow A1 to shoot the free throws and he makes them both. As Team B is bringing the ball up the court, the table sounds the horn and the referee stops play. The scorer tells the ref that A1 just made a 5-point play and the ref now realizes the error.

What is the correct procedure?

I know you cancel the free throws because they were made by the wrong player and it is within the correctable time frame. Do you then let the correct player shoot the bonus free throws with no one on the lane and then give Team B the ball at the POI?

Or do you just wipe out the the free throws and give the ball back to Team B (no free throws to Team A) since it had the ball when play was stopped?

You allow the correct shooter to shoot his FT(s). Then give the ball back to B at POI.

If the first, then how do you explain the NCAA ruling in what seems to be a similar situation?

The situations are NOT the same.
One is shooting unmerited FTs.
The other is the wrong shooter.
Two different items, tow different issues.